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Amazo, The General,Lady Shiva,Neronvs. Ultron, The Juggernaut, Bulls Eye,Mephisto,
In this battle, Ultron has the powers all the full jla and reserves as he didn when He beat the crap out of everybody.
General Eiling of course is the shaggy man with brains and a lifetime of army combat training.
I"m talking pre Onslaught Jugs when He had never Ever been hurt
and Ultron who can at will make more adamantiom Copies of himself.
WHo wins?
Re: Amazo, The General,Lady Shiva,Neronvs. Ultron, The Juggernaut, Bulls Eye,Mephisto
Don't you think you have somewhat skewed this matchup.
For one you said that 'Ultron has the powers all the full jla.' How in goodness name did Ultron, a Marvel character, ever have the resources of the JLA. Unless you put that stipulation just to negate the presence of Amazo (who has integrated the powers and skills of the JLA).
Then the match-up in general. You have Amazo, Lady Shiva, Neron and the General vs Ultron, Juggernaut, BullsEye and Mephisto.
In every case there seems to be a match. For example Neron basically goes against Mephisto (they are both devils in their respective universes, and both have done huge feats, from Neron storming heaven to Mephisto doing his bad stuff).
And you have cases like Shiva versus BullsEye, which Shiva seems to have a far greater chance of winning (BE couldn't even tag Batman in the crossover).
However all the above is moot, no matter what position one takes due to the following statement:
"Ultron who can at will make more adamantiom Copies of himself"
What is to stop Ultron from making copy and copy after copy, ad infinitum, of himself?
He basically saturates the battle and gives the win to Marvel (which makes this seem really skewed).
It would be like me creating a fight between DC's Lobo and an analogous character in Marvel, but then saying that Lobo has his old ability of creating copies of himself. It just totally skews the entire field.
Amazo is amazing, but one Amazo versus endlessly copying Ultrons is not just unfair but rather silly (unless you stipulated that Amazo also had Lobo's FULL abilities - since Lobo can no longer do the whole copy thing), and even then it would be silly. Thousands of Amazos versus thousands of Ultrons.
Another example would be a fight between Gladiator (at full confidence level) versus PRe-Crisis Superman. However stipulating that PC Superman can break dimensional barriers and bring in other Superman like him from other dimensions (kind of similar to what happened in JLA:1Million when one of the future supermen had help in collapsing the barrier, bringing in endless Supermen from alternate dimensions for a huge attack on a foe). Ok, does Gladiator have any chance (although it could be said even against one Pre-Crisis Superman Gladiator would still have nada chance).
Anyways, the way the match is setup is as follows:
Amazo, Lady Shiva, Neron and the General vs Juggernaut, BullsEye, Mephisto and Adamantium Ultron.
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This almost starts to look like a spite thread.
Last edited by spetznaz on Nov 12th, 2005 at 01:21 AM
It still doesn't change the fact that this fight is terribly skewed.
For instance you have: Amazo, Lady Shiva, Neron and the General vs Juggernaut, BullsEye, Mephisto and Adamantium Ultron
What is to stop Ultron from creating copies of himself in such a way that LAdy Shiva will be fighting BullsEye PLUS 10 Ultrons.
Neron will be fighting Mephisto PLUS 10,000 Ultrons, which are replicating in geometric progression.
The General will be engaging the Juggernaut PLUS 100 Ultrons.
And Amazo will be facing off against Ultron and an ever-increasing number of Ultrons?
Shiva can beat BullsEye, in fact easily based on how quickly Batman took out BullsEye. However she wouldn't do anything to Ultron (or his replicas).
Neron could easily take care of Ultron, but if he is facing off against Mephisto (basically his analogue in Marvel), then a bunch of rapidly replication Ultrons can affect the outcome (it would be like a lion fighting a lion, but with one lion having the assistance of endless swarms of flies .....if the two lions are more or less equal, the flies will have a huge impact since they will be bothering one lion and thus distracting him from the fight)
And the General would have to fend off Juggernaut, and at the same time watch his 6 for Ultrons????!!!!!!
Come on ....this is an anti-DC spite thread if I ever saw one (or seems very much like one).
What you said applies fully if Amazo doesn't pull one of his crazy-ass moves like blinking the GL planet away cause it was in his way and didn't want to go around it . If that sort of power is restricted, then you're absolutely correct IMO.
True. However that occured in the JLA cartoon I believe, whereby the Amazo robot had basically transcended into being a deity.
In the comics Amazo is basically a robot with the combined powers of the JLA (that he absorbed), and in the thread it was stipulated that Amazo had the combo powers of the JLA.
Thus he cannot blink away everyone.
Although there is an easy way Amazo could win the entire thing. If he can also absorb the abilities of everyone (both in the DC team, and the Marvel team), then DC wins.
After all even if Ultron is shelling out copies of himself Amazo can simply absorb this power, and thus start creating copies of himself made of Adamantium.
HOWEVER the Amazo copies would also have the abilities of:
1) The entire JLA.
2) Lady Shiva.
3) Neron.
4) General.
5) Juggernaut
6) BullsEye
7) Mephisto
8) Ultron.
If this is indeed the case then the DC team (Shiva, Neron, General) could simply go off on vacation and have Amazo win the entire thing by himself.
Easily.
However if Amazo cannot absorb those powers, and is limited to the JLA powers only, then Ultron can simply replicate himself to no end.
Re: Re: Re: Amazo, The General,Lady Shiva,Neronvs. Ultron, The Juggernaut, Bulls Eye,Mephisto
Wouldn't self-cauterising wounds render the power useless though? I mean wounds from like energy or fire-based or energy beam attacks and such that don't let blood spray out?
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Nov 12th, 2005 01:01 AM
. If that sort of power is restricted, then you're absolutely correct IMO.
