What i want to do is look at Thor and Superman in a diffrent light.. Going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale. Marvel has a scale of 1 - 7 that they use to rate powers or abilitys, the higher the number the more powerful in that catagory. You tell me what you feel SUPERMAN's power rating should be if your going by the Marvel handbook power rating scale. THOR's ratings are there as an example to help you.
In the Marvel handbook: The power ratings of THOR are:
Intelligence.. rating of 2 ...meaning Normal
Strength..... rating of 7 ....meaning Incalcuable, in excess of 100 tons
Speed........ rating of 7 ....meaning Warp sped, transcending light speed
Durability.... rating of 6 ....meaning Superhuman
Energy Projection..rating of 6 .....meaning able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Fighting Skill ........rating of 4 ......meaning experienced fighter
In the Marvel handbook: The power rating of SUPERMAN are:
Intelligence ...........?....is what, you tell me.
Strength ...............?
Speed ..................?
Durability ..............?
Energy Projection ...?
Fighting Skill ..........?
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What the ratings mean for each catagory.
Intelligence : ability to think and process information.
Rating of 1. Slow/impaired
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Leanded
Rating of 4. Gifted
Rating of 5. Genius
Rating of 6. Super-Genius
Rating of 7. Omniscient
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Strength: Ability to left weight.
Rating of 1. Weak, can not lift own body weight
Rating of 2. Normal, able to lift own body weight
Rating of 3. Peak human, bale to lift twice own body weight
Rating of 4. Superhuman: 800 lbs - 25 ton range
Rating of 5. Superhuman: 25 - 75 ton range
Rating of 6. Superhuman: 75 - 100 ton range
Rating of 7. Incalcuable : In excess of 100 tons
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Speed: Ability to move over land by running or flight.
Rating of 1. Below normal
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Superhuman: peak range of 700 MPH
Rating of 4. Speed of sound: Mach-1
Rating of 5. Supersonic: Mach-2 through Orbital velocity
Rating of 6. Speed of light
Rating of 7 Warp speed :Transcending light speed
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Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury.
Rating of 1. Weak
Rating of 2. Normal
Rating of 3. Enhanced
Rating of 4. Regenerative
Rating of 5. Bulletproof
Rating of 6. Superhuman
Rating of 7 Virtually indestructible
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Energy Projection: Ability to dicharge energy.
Rating of 1. None
Rating of 2. Ability to discharge energy on contact
Rating of 3. Short range, Short Duration, single energy type
Rating of 4. Medium range, Medium duration, Single energy type
Rating of 5. Long range , long duration , Single energy type
Rating of 6. Able to discharge multiple forms of energy
Rating of 7. Virtually unlimited command of all forms of energy
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Fighting Skill: Proficiency in hand to hand combat.
Rating of 1. Poor skills
Rating of 2. Normal Skills
Rating of 3. Some training
Rating of 4. Experienced fighter
Rating of 5. Master of a single form of combat
Rating of 6. Master of seveal forms of combat
Rating of 7. Master of all forms of combat
He is monst DEFINITELY a super-genius. Not quite to the ridiculous extent of pre-crisis days, but he can still learn a new language in seconds, has a perfect memory, is a master of sciences etc etc.
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Superman is a super genius. The Kryptonian Tech is far beyond Earth, in fact, it's so far beyond Earth tech that some of it is purely regarded as 'magic'. A large part of villains he beats, he beats by outsmarting. Some of his rogues gallery are far too powerful to punch out. He knows EVERY Earth language. By looking a an object, he can calculate exact mathematical trajectory, circumference, and density. Or even it's melting point.
Despite that, I think Super-Genius applies to old pre-crisis days, when the writers let him do anything. Gifted or genius is more realistic for him, now. I don't see him coming up with great scientific advances or weapondry, like a Reed Richards.
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Only thing off is strength. He should be a twelve; in the same list, Hercules and Beta Ray Bill are Twelve.
Category explanations:
Intelligence: Ability to think
1 - Non-Sentient: instinctual behavior only
2 - Learning Impaired: major mental deficiencies
3 - Below Normal: minor mental deficiencies
4 - Normal: possessing an intelligence quotient that is approximately average
5 - Above Normal: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ
6 - Gifted: possessing a significantly higher than average IQ and creative talents
7 - Genius: possessing an extremely high IQ and creative talents
8 - Extraordinary Genius: possessing genius in multiple intellectual areas
9 - Superhuman: possessing genius in virtually all intellectual areas
10 - Immeasurable: alien, omniscient
Strength: Ability to lift weight above one's head with arms fully extended
1 - Below Normal: cannot lift one's own body weight
2 - Normal: able to lift one's own body weight
3 - Athlete: able to lift from one's own body weight up to double one's own body weight
4 - Peak Human: able to lift double one's own body weight to 800 pound range
5 - Enhanced Human: able to lift in the 800 pound to 2 ton range
6 - Superhuman Class 10: able to lift in the 2 to 10 ton range
7 - Superhuman Class 25: able to lift in the 10 to 25 ton range
8 - Superhuman Class 50: able to lift in the 25 to 50 ton range
9 - Superhuman Class 75: able to lift in the 50 to 75 ton range
10 - Superhuman Class 90: able to lift in the 75 to 90 ton range
11 - Superhuman Class 100: able to lift in the 90 to 100 ton range
12 - Incalculable: able to lift in excess of 100 tons
Speed: Ability to move over land by running
1 - Below Normal: cannot attain 3-5 miles per hour
2 - Normal: peak range: 6-10 miles per hour
3 - Athlete: peak range: 11-20 miles per hour
4 - Peak Human: peak range: 21-35 miles per hour
5 - Enhanced Human: peak range: 36-65 miles per hour
6 - Superhuman: peak range: 111-115 miles per hour
7 - Subsonic: peak range: 250-500 miles per hour
8 - Speed of Sound: able to reach Mach 1: 770 miles per hour at sea level
9 - Supersonic: peak range: Mach 2 to Mach 4.6: .22-1 miles per second
10 - Orbital Velocity: peak range: Mach 18.7 to Mach 23.3: 1-5 miles per second; when a runner reaches this speed he is no longer in contact with the ground and thus not running
Flight Speed: Ability to move through open air or space by flying
1 - Hover only
2 - Directed Motion Hovering: peak range: 10-30 miles per hour
3 - Natural Winged Flight Limit: peak range: 150-160 miles per hour
4 - Artificial Winged Flight: peak limit: 160-200 miles per hour
5 - Subsonic: peak range: 250-500 miles per hour
6 - Speed of Sound: able to reach Mach 1: 770 miles per hour; .22 miles per second
7 - Supersonic: peak range: Mach 2 to Mach 4.6: .22-1 miles per second
8 - Orbital Velocity: peak range: Mach 18.7 to Mach 23.3: 1-5 miles per second
9 - Escape Velocity: Mach 32.7: 7 miles per second
10 - Sub-light Speed: peak range: 80% - 99.65% light speed: 150,000 to 185,620 miles per second
11 - Light Speed: 186,000 miles per second, cannot be attained by physical beings within Earth's atmosphere
12 - Warp Speed: able to enter and traverse through warp space by transcending light speed, cannot be attained by physical beings within Earth's atmosphere
Stamina: Ability to sustain peak exertion before fatigue impairs performance
1 - Below Normal: unable to sustain for 1 minute
2 - Normal: able to sustain for 1 minute
3 - Athlete: able to sustain for several minutes
4 - Peak Human: able to sustain for up to an hour
5 - Enhanced Human: able to sustain for several hours
6 - Superhuman: able to sustain for up to a day
7 - Metahuman: able to sustain for several days
8 - Demi-godlike: able to sustain for weeks
9 - Godlike: able to sustain almost indefinitely
10 - Immeasurable: never tire due to self-generating energy
Durability: Ability to resist or recover from bodily injury or disease
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal: average resilience
3 - Athlete: conditioned metabolism enabling efficient healing
4 - Peak Human: conditioned metabolism enabling extraordinarily efficient healing
5 - Enhanced Human: skin, bone, and muscle augmented to make it stronger and harder than human; impervious to injury to a certain extent
6 - Enhanced Human Regenerative: skin, bone, and muscle retains human durability but body is able to heal near-lethal injuries by regenerating cells to a limited extent
7 - Superhuman: skin, bone, and muscle augmented to make it stronger and harder than human; impervious to injury to an extraordinary extent
8 - Superhuman Regenerative: able to regenerate injured tissue and brain cells to an extraordinary degree; but not able to regenerate missing limbs or organs
9 - Metahuman: able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures, and concussions without sustaining injury
10 - Metahuman Regenerative: able to regenerate injured or missing brain cells, tissue, limbs or organs
11 - Demi-godlike: able to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion
12 - Demi-godlike Regenerative: able to heal all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion
13 - Godlike: able to reconstitute body after total molecular disintegration
14 - Totally Indestructible: absolutely cannot be injured
Agility: Ability to move the body with flexibility and coordination
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal
3 - Athlete
4 - Peak Human
5 - Enhanced Human: beyond the natural limits of the human body
6 - Superhuman: significantly beyond the natural limits of the human body
7 - Metahuman: extraordinarily beyond the natural limits of the human body
Reflexes: Reaction time
1 - Below Normal
2 - Normal
3 - Athlete
4 - Peak Human
5 - Enhanced Human: beyond the natural limits of the human body
6 - Superhuman: virtually instantaneous
7 - Metahuman: instantaneous
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Now if you follow that list the same one Thors on I would put Superman like this
Superman's file
Intelligence: Gifted (6/10)
Strength: Incalculable (12/12)
Speed: Orbital Velocity (10/10)
Flight Speed: Lightspeed (11/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Demi-godlike Regenerative (12/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)
Gotta agree with this one, his strength is incalculable, speed is immense, he is gifted that much can be said about his intelligence, "Super" man is a power house.
Speed stat - running over land, using the Thor site, would be 8 or 9/10. Before Wally found the speed force, he was just short of Mach 1. He and Superman had a race around the world, organized by Mr. Mxyzptlk. Just once around, it was a big strain on both, before Wally won at the finish line. Has Supes received a significant upgrade in his running speed since then? If not, he's an 8 or 9.
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