well, what i was going for is the ability to now reshape and reform his body from scraps or if it gets deformed somehow. also, magneto can augment his physical strength by supplanting it with energy he channels/absorbs. he can get to the 100 ton bracket with that ability, added to colossus' already strong body, i assume he'd be pretty hard to put down.
another couple of new things would be the ability to integrate metals from nearby to his bulk, or just liquidate himself and enter superman's cardiovascular system and start messing shit up (colossus' brain, organs, and fluids become metallic versions of their organic counterparts). technically this amalgam should be able to move quite fast since magnetic fields being radiation travel at the speed of light, he wouldn't be that fast since he's material, but he would be extremely nimble and elusive when need be.
add the shield and magneto's other normal powers and he's quite the threat.
You do know that doctor poloris has owned supes twice not even maxing two panels.
Magneto is >> doctor poloris.
Whats to stop Magneto from sensing supermans power source and eliminating his bio force field and out right just use every piece of sharpnel around ripping superman the hell up.
Dont say this cant happen because on panel proof proves this. Doctor poloris has taken away supes bio force field, blinded him, etc....
Magneto wins this plain and clear without his upgrades.
I guess someone beat me to it when I came on to say that Magneto wins. I suppose I'll settle for explaining how, then.
The powers of Colossus isn't really a factor here. The idea sounds pretty cool- Magneto the Colossus... but in this fight they're not needed based on the nature of the characters' powers.
Magneto's ability is the generation and manipulation of electromagnetic energies. Since Superman gets his powers from an aspect of electromagnetic energy (Radiation from the sun) that falls under Magneto's control.
Magneto is well known for his multitasking skills; he's often shown defending and attacking simultaneously. So having his forcefield up while he drains Superman, while also stopping him from absorbing more sunlight shouldn't be an issue. Since Magneto can see far more of the electromagnetic spectrum than we can (We see visible light, a very small part) he would be able to see how Superman gets his power in order to stop it.
After that it's Magneto vs. Clark Kent... and at that point it doesn't really matter how Magneto decides to finish it. If it were me, I'd blast him with red sunlight radiation just for the lawls.
Just a quick edit: The only reason why it's an easy win for Magneto is because of the nature of the characters' powers. Magneto controls Superman's powersource. If Superman's powers came from magic or something the situation would be drastically different.
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Yes, Colnetus or whoever wins, although I don't know about that being able to liquefy himself stuff...neither Magneto or Colossus can have that done to them without killing them now so an amalgram would be the same I would think.
I love how when people explain why Magneto beats Superman, it's because he pulls out some over-the-top, exuberant powers that he's never even demonstrated before on-panel. Lawlz.
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That part of my argument was only a speculation as to how he could end the fight. Magneto doesn't need to blast Superman with red sun radiation to win when Superman is powerless.
Red sun radiation is part of the electromagnetic spectrum which Magneto controls. Magneto has used gamma rays, microwaves, visibile light, among others. He uses his powers as they're needed. Why would he have specifically used red sun radiation when he doesn't have an enemy to use it against? The evidence is there that he can access that energy. If you know your EM spectrum you know there is a high end and a low end. If Magneto can use the high end, and the low end, and what is inbetween on panel, why do you doubt it?
If he had an enemy to use red sun radiation against, he would have. Would you have believed he controlled gamma rays before he used it against the Hulk?
It is certainly within his power, and only one way that he could win.
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Adding Colossus' powers is pretty redundant in my opinion. Magneto can amp himself to the point even when really weakened, shrugs of punches to the face from guys like Colossus and so on. Durability wise, with his force field it's also pretty much redundant.
Magneto has a good chance of beating Superman on his own.
If any of your theories had any kind of practical merit to them based on what we've seen of Magneto's feats, I might be more inclined to have an actual discussion dealing with them. But since they don't, then I won't.
I can theorize that somebody with electromagnetic manipulation can shoot stars out of his ass, but that would just be ridiculous.
It's not exactly to that degree in this case, but meh, the point stands.
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It's only what he's been shown to do. You're not debating with me because you can't. But you're pretending otherwise.
To put it simply, gamma radiation comes from the same "stuff" that red sun radiation does. This "stuff" Magneto controls. I'm saying that since Magneto controls this "stuff" then Magneto can control this "stuff." The Hulk also gets his power from a part of this "stuff," (Like Superman) and since Magneto controls "stuff" he was able to drain Hulk's "stuff" turning him into Banner. Shooting stars out of behinds isn't this "stuff" so your example isn't just "to that degree" but not relevant at all. What I suggested was the "stuff" of relevance.
We're on a forum where we have theoretical fights. If someone claims Superman would use super strength against, I don't care, Wolverine, then we work with that. It's valid because it's part of his power set. And I'd never make any suggestion that wasn't.
Your argument is "lol that's silly." even when I've told you why he'd be able to accomplish these feats.
If you can't understand that, then I'm guess I'm done. I couldn't put it more simply.
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Last edited by Timslar on Aug 14th, 2009 at 03:39 AM
How is Mags supposed to produce red sun radiation?
He could possibly produce solar light, but wouldn't red sun radiation depend entirely on the size of the sun producing it, and not be a physical change in the radiation itself?
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no sun/solar expert.
Plus, I dunno if it's even common knowledge that red sun radiation is a Superman weakness.
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