Revised for DEC 2005 - Phoenix vs. Scarlet Witch vs. Psi-Lord
Now that we have new information about the Phoenix Force, does anyone want to speculate on how this would go?
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It really depends on wether the phoenix's power exists outside reality (I.e. is the white room out side the universe ?) If not Scarlet whitch should win. She beats ayone below Abstarct level, If her powers are as immense as suggested on this forum !
P.S. save this for a week or two, Whirly has been banned.
Whirly got banned?! Really?! When did this happen? What happened? What did I miss? I swear, I leave for a weekend, GS is depressed and Whirly is banned!
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With the fall of the Phoenix, thus begins the reign of the Scarlet Witch!
Psi-Lord has a bunch of self-imposed limits. He's actually weaker than Franklin Richards. Phoenix also has a bunch of limits and has stamina issues. Scarlet Witch just wishes them both away and that's that.
Okay, I'm sorry. What I meant was Phoenix/Jean and Franklin Richards at their primes.
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Got run off.
Phoenix is just a chick with unlimited psi power and not a lot of expertise in how to use it, combined with a lot of mental restrictions that would make her a liability in combat.
Scarlet Witch still tops them both. Franklin's top feat was creating a pocket universe, which is impressive, but below Wanda's ability to alter the multiverse and destroy all of creation. That goes beyond Phoenix, too, who didn't see "jgg" coming.
by that bio's description, it seems like the Phoenix Force is potentially WELL above eternity. the phoenix has access to the life energy of the entire marvel timeline...while abstracts aren't really alive, so i wouldn't count them, at the very least the phoenix force is (logically) more powerful than all the celestials combined.
it seems to be by choice that phoenix does not manifest this power, because it destroys future life force.
__________________ We're on the side of the demons Cheif. We're evil men in the garden of paradise, sent by the forces of death to bring destruction and devestation wherever we go.
__________________ We're on the side of the demons Cheif. We're evil men in the garden of paradise, sent by the forces of death to bring destruction and devestation wherever we go.
Gender: Unspecified Location: Speedblitzing around the universe f
I think that's a good assessment. On the hierarchy list I put together, I addressed similar concepts. The Phoenix Force is an energy store used for creation, but Jean Grey is just a girl who uses the Phoenix Force the same way the Silver Surfer uses the Power Cosmic....just because the Phoenix Force is responsible for multiversal creation doesn't mean that Jean has the power or the knowledge to do it. I think at full expression, she can take Galactus, and MAYBE even a Celestial or two....but it stops there.
haha...yeah, I don't trust Wikipedia for accurate information. The Marvel Handbook is the only trusted source on the history of a character.
Good question. To be perfectly honest, I powered up Scarlet Witch only for the sake of combating GS's Phoenix. In truth, both of them being human, should be below universal abstracts and should be totally torn apart by what they embody, the way they did with Thanos in the IW. Thanos was smart enough to resist, but I don't see that being the case with either Jean or Wanda. So I'd put Wanda at the top of the physical being chain - Above Celestials. I'd put Jean just below her.
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