The Celestials? No chance. Strong, but bound to reality. These two have control over reality. The Celestials lose. Phoenix Force needs a host and has decided not to interfere because of what damage it does. Reed with the Ultimate Nullifier? That's really a joke. They can UNMAKE Reed. They can transport him into space. Goodbye Reed unless you can survive the core of a sun. HoM Wanda could make one reality but she can't take on two people with reality warping powers far beyond her own.
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God you're stupid. You realy don't know anything about who Franklin or Jim are. Check our their bios. Check out anyone who thinks Wanda can take either one of them. And Reed with the UN destroyed the multiverse? Interesting. How does he do this when these two simply think him out of existence? Or turn him into a block of wood?
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You shouldn't call someone stupid when they are talking sense, Franklin at full power is supposed to be celestial level and we don't even know where in the celestial hierarchy he stands. So i think its reasonable to assume and this is me being nice but 3 celestials should be enough.
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Dude chil out! Galan is right. They are both very powerful, but could definitly be taken down by several beings in the marvel universe. Also I don't see how the two of them are more powerful than say Abraxis? Explain that to me. UN would erase them.
LT would blink him away, but LT wouldn't interfere if it's just ONE Universe at stake, so long as it doesn't upset the Multiversal balance.
Now, Jasper's weakness in Un-Space (where there is no Reality) but in order to bring Un-Reality about, you have to nullify the Reality that's there to begin with.
It's a good tactic that can be easily achieved by the UN, but then, who can survive the UN (besides the FURY) to smack him around afterwards?
That's the $64,000 question.
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Just because The Fury survived a nullifier doesn't mean Jasper can. The Fury doesn't need reality to do what it does, that's why it survived. The UN would be able to kill Jasper.
Jaspers is certainly much more powerful than HoM wanda. I don't know much about Franklin, as I personally haven't read many comics with him in it (showcasing his abilities) though I have heard he has alot of potential to be very powerful. Jaspers would be tough to beat, but I think the sheer amount of powerful entities in the MU may be able to think of a plan to take him out.
I already asked. But I'll do it again in vain hopes someone will be mildly honest and pst a quote or proof Franklin is only Celestial at full potential. Come on. I'm waiting.
And as stated, Jaspers already created a universe. With a full-potential Franklin aiding him, I don't see them having any remote difficulty in unmaking and remaking portions of the multiverse. But, no! Franklin can nonly ever be as strong as a Celestial! Until I get some proof, that is nothign but BS.
And why do people keep bringing up the UN? Who's gonna use it? These two will obviously make their own universe in which they are omniscient and omnipotent. They don't want someone to use it, they won't. Simple as that.
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Shame that Franklin will be stronger than Jaspers as already stated and made clear by the Celestials. Franklin is the most powerful being born on Earth and he is the ultimate creation of their experiment. They didn't say that about Jaspers. Franklin, at full-potential, thinks "don't slap me" and whoever it is doesn't slap him. Tell me exactly who could beat him at full-potential.
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You shouldn't call someone stupid when they are talking sense, Franklin at full power is supposed to be celestial level and we don't even know where in the celestial hierarchy he stands. So i think its reasonable to assume and this is me being nice but 3 celestials should be enough.
