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Anti-Monitor vs. Krona

Which Uber-powerful being takes this?


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Krona. He had to be contained using like all these uber powerful artifacts from two companies. and that still wasn't enough.


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Krona. He had to be contained using like all these uber powerful artifacts from two companies. and that still wasn't enough.


Didn't the hammer and shield end the threat?


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Krona was as a crossover Villain above Marvel&DC, he would have destroyed the Marvel U and after it maybe the DCU, so he wins easily.


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Anti-Monitor wins, now if this was Entropy Krona then it's a different ball game.

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Krona wins after a long battle.


AM = slightly less than One Eternity

Krona = One Eternity


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Krona wins after a long battle.


AM = slightly less than One Eternity

Krona = One Eternity

confused Where do you get your facts from? Anti Monitor had psiphoned the power of billions of universes. He only had the power of One Eternity at the end of the series when he recharged himself after a long battle.

And when did Krona only have the power of one Eternity? it took The IG, the Oan power battery, and other powerful artifacts to over come him. And he still managed to escape thier hold. Cool it with your lessening of DC cosmics and then trying to peg them into a marvel hierachy.

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confused Where do you get your facts from? Anti Monitor had psiphoned the power of billions of universes. He only had the power of One Eternity at the end of the series when he recharged himself after a long battle.

And when did Krona only have the power of one Eternity? it took The IG, the Oan power battery, and other powerful artifacts to over come him. And he still managed to escape thier hold. Cool it with your lessening of DC cosmics and then trying to peg them into a marvel hierachy.
Actually, he fairly decimated Grandmaster when he was wielding all of those, it didn't slow him at all.


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Where do you get your facts from? Anti Monitor had psiphoned the power of billions of universes.


What issue?

In JLA/Avengers he only destroyed Two Universes.


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He only had the power of One Eternity at the end of the series when he recharged himself after a long battle.

And when did Krona only have the power of one Eternity? it took The IG, the Oan power battery, and other powerful artifacts to over come him. And he still managed to escape thier hold. Cool it with your lessening of DC cosmics and then trying to peg them into a marvel hierachy.


For all his power Krona got owned by Flash & Hawkeye
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and that was the end of Krona
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In the end, they were all pawns in a Game devised by Metron and the Grandmatser

Krona had stolen the power he had,

Normal Krona = ONE Universe according to Metron
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What issue?

In JLA/Avengers he only destroyed Two Universes.




For all his power Krona got owned by Flash & Hawkeye
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and that was the end of Krona
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In the end, they were all pawns in a Game devised by Metron and the Grandmatser

Krona had stolen the power he had,

Normal Krona = ONE Universe according to Metron
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This scan clearly shows what Krona becomes after the fight is over. ONe can clearly tell that Crono is beyond multiverses as It took all of those items of power to fight him. even then he resisted. What ever else your trying to prove is moot since it took so much power to actually defeat him.

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This scan clearly shows what Krona becomes after the fight is over.


It clearly shows Hawkeye with a TNT Arrow blowing up a containment spehre that was absorbing Eternity's and Kismet's energy, thus creating a Rift in Space that released the energies Krona has stolen and transformed him into a Cosmic Egg.

Krona will one day become a Universe.


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ONe can clearly tell that Crono is beyond multiverses as It took all of those items of power to fight him.


No it did not,

On Panel normal Krona is ONE Universe, nothing more.

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What ever else your trying to prove is moot since it took so much power to actually defeat him.


Normal Krona is One Universe.

I could say give Galactus enough time and he can become as powerful as the Universe, and even beyond (proven On Panel)

but is normal (Fed) Galactus a Multiversal threat right off the bat? no


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What issue?

In JLA/Avengers he only destroyed Two Universes.

In the end, they were all pawns in a Game devised by Metron and the Grandmatser

Krona had stolen the power he had,

Normal Krona = ONE Universe according to Metron
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We see Krona destroy 2 Universes, which are a part of an bigger Universe (the DC Universe). This are the mechanics of this Crossover. Each reality or each "vibration plane of reality" represents an Universe or even an Multiverse, it doesn't matters because in this crossover they call everything Universe, Universes and Multiverses. So, Anti-Monitor destroyed all "vibration planes of reality" (representing DC Universes or Multiverses, as you wish) of an infinite number except two, it was also stated in the Crisis of the Infinite Earths that each destroyed Universe adds to the anti-matter universe, and the anti-matter universe is the power of the Anti-Monitor.

Krona was a pawn, true but the risks were true also. The risk was btw the destruction of both Universes, DC and Marvel, if this is just one ""vibration plane of reality" of each Universe or the whole DC & Marvel Universes, can be argued but in this Crossover it seemed to me smile that they meant "everything".

The Krona who was "imprisoned" in a New Universe in the end was equal to an Universe, but the word is used for every Universe, so we can only speculate how big this may be. Though since he was imprisoned through DC and Marvel we may guess that this NEW Universe (Multiverse/Omniverse/Whateverversestick out tongue) is equal to the Complete DC AND Marveluniverse, like the Amalgamuniverse, with Krona as the New TOAA/Presence (Or third Brotherwink) who is as limited to his Universe as LT and Spectre are to theirs.

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Normal Krona is One Universe.

I could say give Galactus enough time and he can become as powerful as the Universe, and even beyond (proven On Panel)

but is normal (Fed) Galactus a Multiversal threat right off the bat? no


As said the Word Universe is used freely in this Crossover to describe even parts of Multiverses, look at the scan. It's up to ones taste what Metron meant, but the Universe he meant might be an Omni.-Multi-or Megaverse.

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Anti-Monitor was >>> Spectre he destroyed almost the whole DC Universe (which would be called Omniverse if it was a Marvel event)

An Marvel Anti-Monitor, would destroy Megaverse after Megaverse leaving 5 over and not "vibration planes of reality".

Krona threated both the Marvel Universe (which was in this Crossover the Omniverse we know today) and the DC Universe (with all it's "vibration planes of reality", which were also called Universes here)

So I go with Krona.

BTW just because they show us destroying two "vibration planes of reality" or two Universe doesn't mean he didn't destroyed a lot more before, it would be an boring Comic if they would show all Universes or "vibration planes of reality" that were destroyed. This two were just an example wink.

He obviously did the Anti-Monitor thing.


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One has to wonder just how powerful Metron is to be able to traverse from one Half of the Omniverse to the other half. Ive only seen that done by Mr. mxy and The Imp man in a non cannon cross over.


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I wish to meet you just once personally big grin.

One thing you can't accept is the difference of those Universes. It's even on panel as I have shown you...

Marvel is an Omniverse, it has it's share of Universal and Multiversal or even Megaversal threats, whatever.

DC is not an Omniverse, the DC Company refers to it as Universe, and the planes of reality as Universes themselves.

Easy and still difficult as I see.

Basicaly you will never encounter an Megaversal threat in the DC Universe, because it doesn't have Megaverses, you like to play with words I see, but you still can't see logic. Does this mean that an Megaversal threat in the Marvel universe is powerful enough to destroy a Singel Universe, the DC Universe? If you are an Marvel fan maybe, if you think logically, NO.

Anti-Monitor destroyed Universes, because there are just Universes in the DC UNIVERSE, do you understand this? But he was about to destroy the Whole DC Universe which is always equal to the Marvel Universe (or Omniverse).

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