Logan without healing factor is screwed. Batman has lot of in him he doesn't need a healing factor the live through pain and wounds, Logan's character is based on that healing factor if it's offline than it's end of the story.
Then Logan's chances are v little lol. Spite thread for making Bat the winner xD Wolvie still has his senses, so he could sneak attack Bruce or dodge his attacks. Wolverine without adamantium faced Hulk 2!!! times and Wendigo. When he was not using claws, he defeated Roughouse even. But in this fight he takes it in majority only in pure h2h or sneak attack, no Bat's gadgets/prep.
Wolverine is still a) stronger b) faster c) more durable and d) a better fighter. If Batman doesn't have his belt and this is pure h2h, Wolverine takes the majority.
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The only way daredevil beat Logan was by Ennis ignoring all of logans abilities and attributes for the sake of his own admitted bias.
But yes, Batman would win here.
His gadgets are already more than enough to drop Logan sans healing factor. His suit should be readily equipted to take Logans punches more often than not.
And while in a hand to hand Logan has enough skill to beat Batman, he's simply more accustomed to using his his mutant abilities as a crutch... If this was Logan after a month or two of honing his fighting ability back up to snuff without his HF and claws, then he'd beat Batman hand to hand for sure... But if we're to assume his powers are stipped away from him on the drop of a hat and hes launched into a forum fight, then he's more often than not gonna make more mistakes and fight sloppy at some point, two things he just can't afford in a fight with batman.
Logan doesn't need a healing factor to live through pain or wounds either. When Logan was inside "The Habitat" (a large structure suited to be a prison for super villains; a structure which negated super powers), Logan was a bit messed up from his Adamantium poisioning; he got attacked by multiple guards and cattleprodded enough to drop an elephant... yet he was still struggling, not fully unconcious.
Stronger? Granted.
Faster? Sure... Though not by any noticeable amount.
More durable? Perhaps without Bat's suit, but with it I'd give that edge to Batman.
A better fighter? Again, if he had time to re-accustom himself to fighting without his crutches... However at the drop of a hat scenario, Batman's going to probably be more skilled, not cause Logan's not as good a fighter, just because he's not used to having to reliy strictly on his fighting prowess to win fights.
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Agree with ya on some terms. But the healing factor thing you got it wrong. I meant Batman never had a healing factor he learned to fight without it, he needed more efforts.
And the skill and speed is the most argueable thing ever but for speed of course I give it to Logan, but skill we could argue about that for like forever.
I know Howlett feels pain but it is certainly gone faster because of the healing factor, my meaning is that Batman needed a harder training to become a great "warrior". He can certainly fight on Wolverine's best level they can match eachother if Logan doesn't have his extras (claw,hf,skeleton,senses) just two ordinary humans.
For the stronger part well, they both have fought stronger characters than them. Wolverine survived thanks to the healing factor and skills, Batman mostly thanks to his skills and gadgets. But note when Batman was fighting sometimes without gadgets and prep a stronger opponent (much stronger) he could still hold his own.
in pure h2h, wolverine doesnt have the skill feats to top batz, and like jinzy said, wolverine aint used to just using skill hes used to being able to rely on a healing factor, so he would take too many hits, bats wins.
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