Spiderman would win.
And here is why.
Cassandra is one of the best hand2hand (human) fighters in DC. Second only to Shiva. And based on BatGirl: Knight Alone she is so adept and fluid that she seems to move '4.2 times faster than baseline human' and have strength '2.6 times baseline.' This is according to the Feds who were viewing tape of her basically thrashing a whole room of armed Special Agents. They thought she was a metahuman due to her speed.
But she is not metahuman. It just that her training has reached perfected levels.
But this is Spiderman we are talking about.
He can lift 10 tons, has superspeed (not Flash level, not even QuickSilver, but still considerably faster than the average person).
Hence physically Spiderman is just too much for Batgirl.
Whcih brings up Batgirl's greatest weakness. She does not have Batman's mind. She may be better than he is in hand to hand combat, but she is not near the strategist he is. Hence she would have to rely on her (great) physical prowess against Spiderman. And that would not be enough.
It would be an interesting fight though. They both have super senses, can both detect and dodge projectiles and bullets, and all that stuff (Batgirl is basically like DareDevil-lite when it comes to senses).
And Batgirl does have the uncanny ability to 'predict' what a person will do. And that is a great advantage for her.
But Spiderman would need more than sheer physical strength to defeat. For example Batman and/or Slade could take down Spidey, but it wouldn;t be through hand to hand combat. It would be through strategy and prep time.
Batgirl would rely on her physical abilities, and even though they are amazing Spiderman is a 10 ton strength metahuman.
Batgirl would fight valiantly, but she would fall.
I love everything about Cass - her attitude, skills, costume. But Spidey is a meta, and unlike Batman (whose greatest weapon is his MIND) Cassandra's greatest weapon is her amazing combat skill. Tat would be more than enough to beat human opponents (even skilled adepts like Elektra), but Spiderman is a meta.
A perfect fight for Cass would be against DareDevil. They are quite similar, with the differences being that DareDevil's 'radar sense' is more honed than Batgirl's proximity senses, and Batgirl's fighting ability is better than DareDevil's. Would be a great fight.
Against Spiderman Cass would need Batman's mind more than Shiva's fighting ability.
to go per definition, agility is the ability to change direction at high speeds, which is correct on your part pertaining to being the particular way spiderman can move.
cass can beat bat in h2h sure, but beat the crap out of him? batman is the most superb fighter in the dc universe. for some reason everyone is confusing being a better martial artist with being a better all-around fighter.
He can beat the total hell out of Batman in h2h but he doesn't know as many martial arts styles, he just applies the large ammount he knows better than Batman.
its his strength, speed,etc. that make slade APPEAR to be a better fighter. however humanity has never stopped batman or any other human superhero before has it. batman is looked down upon for being "normal". however, hes less normal than most other superheroes. hes not average in any way. superman is a normal kryptonian, so what people are basically saying is humans are less than aliens. whats wrong with you people? i thought you ARE humans. quit looking down on your own kind.
No, I meant Slade shouldn't be really counted as better in martial arts than Shiva or Batgirl, he's technically only better because of his massive enhancements.
He's a better h2h fighter, yes.... but he doesn't know 100 different styles.
When gail simone was asked about Slade's ability vs Shiva's, she said something like "Shiva is more talented, but Slade would overwhelm her with his superior physical level."
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Last edited by long pig on Jul 29th, 2005 at 07:42 AM
racist? no no no. you just make it look like humanity matters. there are many superheroes who are human but it isnt a factor in their discussions theyre considered superior or something. like iron man, captain america, steel, green arrow, etc. because of toys or enhancement or skills, which batman also has all of, they are considered to be at meta-human levels. my point is meta-humans are all still people. superpowers are simple physical attributes. its the ability to get the job done thats important.
Yeah but when your super power is physical AND mental, then it becomes too much for humans.
If Slade was just stronger and faster, then he wouldn't be much of a threat, but he's also capable of being smarter than any non-enhanced human. That added to his physical stats is what makes him a big deal.
smarter than any non-advanced AVERAGE human. bat is more intelligent than slade and bat is human. this is the superhero world, lets stray away from pathetic human standards
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