Let's say it Tony has had a history with the Herald shown below (some of them he does have a history with), could be pull a majority or pulls some wins against them? Do you think he would already have armor built to take each one of them out? Let's not use weakness exploiting (aka kryptonite but magic is usable if he can get his hands on some).
Superman
Silver Surfer
Thor
God like Cable
Exodus
Magneto
Who could he defeat and who would pull every win from him, no matter the circumstances?
The only one you could make an argument for is the Phoenixbuster, but seeing as it did not do what it was designed to do (i.e. destroy/stop the Phoenix) then its a failure.
What if he was to use these busters against the opponents he is fighting, he could pull some wins, correct? Example. The armor he used against WWH was able to physically contend with him and not only that, it also possessed adamantium weaponry along with (let's say the nanites were there) nanites. That armor should be able to drop any of the Heralds? Right?
the phoenixbuster worked in the sense that it dissipated/dispersed the phoenix entity itself. tony just didn't take into account that the 5 parts it was split into could still seek out hosts(we/they had never seen anything like that before.)
WITH the nanites? They were SAID to be able to remove all and ever power (mutant/magical/scientific etc) power they came across, right?
Don't know if that would work with Thor/Surfer/Supes (as its who they are - it's like injecting a cheetah, would it make the cheetah slower??), but should work with Magneto. God Cable would disassemble him down to the component nuts and bolts lol.
Huh? Why wouldn't nanites work? It's main attribute is to dampen a person's power, no matter the source. Even if it temporarily slow them down, it would still leave an opening for Ironman (adamantium stab to the back of the head at full power or a ko, especially with the strength he was displaying).
I don't know of it's limits. What I do know is Tony thought that nothing was capable of stopping WWH. NOTHING. He even doubted his armor during the time he was making it. Not going into detail on Tony thoughts about WWH because I think you already know. The point of my post is, Tony thought that the nanites would work on WWH, so why would he think any different of the people in this battle?
Basically, if he went in with the Hulkbuster, an argument could be made for speed blitzes (Surfer/Supes) Thor just killing it, Cable disassembling it, Magneto outright taking control of it etc.
Let's also not forget that WWH and Ironman punches from a distance was wrecking the city and Ironman armor was withstanding all of it.
Also, the ONLY time Hulk was capable of damaging Ironman armor was during the time he went completely nuts. Enraged (can't believe he didn't go World Breaker).
And that still didn't take IM out of the fight and I feel comfortable at saying that a highly pissed off WWH who's base strength either starts on or above (reason im saying above is due to him being at his weakest and he was still displaying planetary power and durability) their level, if his attacks couldn't drop Ironman, I don't think your scenarios would work, especially the tk.
Your Magneto argument holds weight though. Can't argue against it.
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I think it is quite a push in logic to jump from Tony THINKING the nanites would work on WWH to they will work on everyone on this list.
Also Tony is one of those characters in comics if given the right prep time and data he pull wins out against most High End people, with the caveat that they aren't always going all out or focusing directly on taking Tony out as fast as possible.
Everyone on this list minus Magneto and maybe Exodus slag Tony 10/10 though.
Disagree. I usually don't debate in my own threads but Tony isn't getting much credit here. His regular Extremis armor without the modifications in the scans I've posted gave Thor trouble and took a chunk out of an amped Grey Gargoyal that was walking around with Asgardians armor. That's his standard Extremis armor. Anything significantly amplified beyond his standard should be challenge and could potentially win.
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Last edited by carver9 on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 06:01 PM
And the armor that fought Hulk had that adamantium blade. I'll try to find the scans but him and Thor had a good fight. The fight you are referencing, Thor had the OF.
I know what Cable is capable of. I also know what Ironman armor is capable of. Don't think it'll be as easy as you are thinking to take his armor apart, especially since a pissed off WWH couldn't (who at his weakest carried planetary power).
Yeah, but assuming God Cable is not being distracted (holding his station up, rebuilding everything atom by atom etc etc) he coudl easily take IM's armour apart.
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