Regardless of the location, Jedah wins. I understand he is severely overrated on this forum, but he still wins. There is nothing Kain can do to take him down.
I like the picture youve made to show the fight but I belive the opposite to Guilty Gear, Jedah Dohma will face a Kain protected by a repel shield, time AOE which lasts about 10 seconds+, all he hs to do is teleport next to Jedah who ive seen no real speed feat from and hes doomed, Jedah has a few overrated feats and his mind is prob not his greatest asset either, consdiering he was tricked by a lowly servant into absorbing a number of souls that actually destroyed him through overload, so he could prob be mind raped.
In this fine post, you demonstrate how little you know of Jedah, his powers, and his backstory.
To begin with, Jedah was tricked not as a result of stupidity, but of his own arrogance - he believed he could absorb all of the Gate's souls at once, and he initially did, but was ultimately overwhelmed. Ozomu was no 'lowly servant', either; he was a genius at deceiving people. Jedah is actually an extremely intelligent man. Oh, and again, as anyone who knows the character is aware, he has psychic powers of his own, telepathy being the most commonly displayed of them. No mind rape for Kain.
Second, you fail to mention just what attack Kain will use to 'doom' Jedah. May this be due to the fact that, you know, he has none that can take him down?
Next, the repel shield. I would like proof that it can 'repel': 1. a soul absorbing attack (which will work here, as Kain is not in Nosgoth, thus not 'unkillable') or 2. an attack capable of destroying a dimension, which is so stupidly beyond Kain's ability I'm wondering why I'm mentioning it.
Oh, and if it's worth anything, he has speed feats in the manga. Morrigan's easily a bullet-timer, and not only does he kick her ass at full power, but she barely evades any of his attacks.
Your just replacing stupidity with arrogance, its stupid to be arrogant or do something that you yourself do not know the consequences of. And Jedah has some telepathy so mind rape is impossible? wtf....thats not logic at at all, doesnt even make sense tbh...thats like me saying Kain has some soul powers of his own, no soul drain for Jedah.
A single soul spell or a freeze in time would doom Jedah, and I outlined what Kain would use, repel shield to reflect spells and stop physical effects and a time slow, which means Jeadh wouldnt be able to do anything as Kain chooses to either freeze him completly in time, overthrow his mind or take his soul, hell maybe possess him himself.
The repel shield only repels magic, if the soul devoring attack is magic then it does nothing, and when has Jedah ever destroyed a dimension with an attack? I only remember him absorbing one with a dimension of his own, and still, you would have to prove he can do it within 1/5th of a second, thats what? 200 milliseconds...
Well first the manga is not considered canon on this forum, and thats even if its considered canon to the Darkstalkers story anyway, and furthermore, I would need evidence if it "were" legitimate anyway.
By your logic, an arrogant, yet brilliant scientist or any other intellectual is stupid. Which, naturally, is wrong. Jedah knew what would happen by absorbing the souls - he would grow in power, and that was he wanted to do. What he didn't expect was for so many souls to be unleashed at once, beyond his ability to absorb. Thus, you are wrong in both statements.
My point was that Jedah is not particularly lacking in powers of the mind as you oh-so-subtly implied, not that he would be immune to mind****s... even though he probably is, having no physical brain.
1. No, they wouldn't.
2. See below.
3. Kain wouldn't be able to do any of the latter three options. If you feel that he can, prove it. Show me him mentally affecting, taking the soul, or possessing anyone on anywhere near Jedah's level. I would especially like to see what makes you think he can take the soul of a high-level soul****er.
No-limits fallacy. Kain's shield has never been tested against magic of such strength, if that's what Jedah's soul sucking is, thus you cannot say it would repel his attacks.
He destroyed Makai in his own ending. And I don't really need to prove anything. Due to the stipulations of this match-up, neither participant is bloodlusted. Kain has prep., yes, but nothing about bloodlust. So, he wouldn't instantly use his time freeze and 'instant win' abilities, meaning Jedah doesn't need '200 milliseconds' to do anything.
Legitimate - licensed by Capcom. The general, logical consensus is that they display canon ability, even if the story is different. Of course, I'd never seriously factored that into the debate, as I've seen how you tend to disregard mostly everything shown to you. Jedah doesn't need his feats from the manga to win.
scratch that Buu level regeneration. The Guy can back back from being erased from existence. so tell me can Kain beat him now also he scare Pyron of all people shitless.
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No, by my logic this arrogant but brilliant scientist wouldnt attempt particle collision without the right theory behind it, Jedah did attempt hadron collision (if we take him to be the scientist) but in his case, its major soul aborbsion, and he was destroyed. Wrong in both statements when its clear he didnt know how many souls were going to come out, he did not know the full conseqences of trying to open the gate.
Hes not immune to being mind fvucked and having no physical brain does not mean you have no mind, Kain technically has no working brain yet has a mind.
1. yes they would, he has no resistance to either powers.
3. You talk of Jedahs level? what the hell are you talking about? Jedahs level? what level is that? the kind that has never shown feats of mind, soul or time resistance? what a ridiculous thing to say.....and the fact he absorbs souls would likely mean he is vulnerable to a similiar fate since afterall why would anyone so often use soul attacks if you yourself are immune?
But anyway, theres nothing I need to prove, your sitting on a negative, your playing on the idea that Jedah is incredible and thats all you have, jedahs superz all high and powerfulz level.....he does not have a level, nor does he have any feats to suggest he can survive most of Kains powers.
No, a no limits fallacy would be if the shield was actually struck for a damage value, and by that info I say its immune to all damage, that would be a no limits fallacy. The spell does not actually deal its effect to kain or his shield, it reflects it away.
By your logic jedah will not instantly use any of his powers either, as soon as he tries to attack kain, he has 200 milliseconds to do whatever he can do to stop Kain if its even possible....either way I doubt their going to stand looking at eachother for years until someone makes a move, the point of the matchup is a fight so I assumed their going to go all out....
...I'm not replying to you until you learn how to debate. And no, don't consider this a concession; you're an idiot. Extremely biased with no idea what the **** you're talking about.
Yes, because ime not so in love with the incredible "level" of Jedah that makes him immune to powers of other entities, I have obviously shown you how small your argument is compare to my far greater counter argument.
Now youve made your lovely pitiful little rant you can flee
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Show me a Jedah speed feat to suggest he could not be hit and furthermore show evidence of the latter, if its something like destiny allowing him to survive or a plot device then its the same as Kains immortality, where he cannot be killed by any entity until he has fulfilled his role as scion of balance.
In which case neither can be defeated, thing is I dont think these plot devices are taken into account.
It wasn't a plot device he simply came back after he felt a disturbance in Makai. He was able to hit a bunch of bullet timers people faster than Kain. He has greater soul raping feats like eating a dimension full of souls at 1 sec. also he can create life. He can manipulate dimensions at will.
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