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Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier vs Lucifer Morningstar

CIS, CIP, and PIS are off.

Go by actual showings and feats please.

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Galactus.

UN can nullify anything short of IG


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Galactus isn't nullifying Lucifer. Not any more than he'd nullify Tribunal.

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Originally posted by Black bolt z
Galactus.

UN can nullify anything short of IG


The IG really isn't that high on the cosmic scale compared who we're talking about.

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Lucifer is too powerful and too intelligent to let himself be nullified (if such a thing were even possible, considering his power).


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I said go by actual showings. Lucifer hasn't done all that much really.

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I said go by actual showings. Lucifer hasn't done all that much really.


Creating a multiverse is worse than nullifying Abraxas?


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Creating a multiverse is worse than nullifying Abraxas?


Or tanking the energies that provided the raw material for said multiverse?

Debating on whether or not LT or other multiverse class entity can beat Lucifer, I could see, but he seems to get underrated a lot... I mean, putting the Infinity Gauntlet above him now? Come on!

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Of course it is.
Richards with the nullifier destroyed AND recreated an INFINITE multi-verse.

Lucifer also needed Michael' power to recreate that universe.

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Of course it is.
Richards with the nullifier destroyed AND recreated an INFINITE multi-verse.

Lucifer also needed Michael' power to recreate that universe.


Destroying and recreating the Marvel multiverse isn't as impressive considering the multiverse was basically reset to the way it was before. When Lucifer created his multiverse, he did so from the ground up. He had to build all the basics from scratch: the four fundamental forces, the way time flows (which he changed), the entire physics of the multiverse stem directly from his decisions. The Nullifier has never shown the ability to create universes independent from this one.


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If you buy into that bs, which I personally don't.

The LT would've, and should've stepped in if Reed actually wiped out the ENTIRE Marvel Multiverse, which calls the feat suspect.

And regardless, the incomplete IG defeated the UN. Beings above the IG, like Lucifer and Living Tribunal, should certainly be as capable.

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The LT didn't step in with Jaspers or HoM Scarlet Witch or Fury or IG(at first)...so? He goes by the 'survival of the fittest' rule.
And there is on-panel proof that the UN destroyed and recreated the marvel multi-verse.

Observe:

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This is more a UN feat but, here Reed states that should Abraxas get the UN, he would be able to destroy the Multi-Verse!
http://img21.imageshack.us/i/fantasticfourv34618.jpg/

"But this time, this day can only end one way"
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...cfourv34916.jpg

And the multi-verse gets ultimately nullified and Abraxas gets chained to the heart of Eternity once more:
http://img525.imageshack.us/i/fantasticfourv34917.jpg/

The Multi-verse gets restarted....and so ends Abraxas:
http://img9.imageshack.us/i/fantasticfourv34918.jpg/

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Destroying and recreating the Marvel multiverse isn't as impressive considering the multiverse was basically reset to the way it was before. When Lucifer created his multiverse, he did so from the ground up. He had to build all the basics from scratch: the four fundamental forces, the way time flows (which he changed), the entire physics of the multiverse stem directly from his decisions. The Nullifier has never shown the ability to create universes independent from this one.


He still used up a good portion of Michael's power to achieve that feat.

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He still used up a good portion of Michael's power to achieve that feat.


It's his only weakness: he cannot create something from nothing. Michael exists to balance that out. The Nullifier can't create something from nothing either, and Lucifer has the entire universe (and more) to use against Galactus.


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I would say that Lucifer would be able to defeat Galactus even with the Ultimate Nullifier according to the statements of his power and intelligence. But based upon the actual feats displayed, i'm going with Galactus.

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Lucy would just laugh and *****-slap Big G for nullifying his creation.


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Galactus, easily.


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Ultimate Nullifier > Spears > Lucifer

Amirite Quanchi?


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Ultimate Nullifier > Spears > Lucifer

Amirite Quanchi?
Is this you attempting humor? Fail. Un erases him quite easily.


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The LT didn't step in with Jaspers or HoM Scarlet Witch or Fury or IG(at first)...so? He goes by the 'survival of the fittest' rule.
And there is on-panel proof that the UN destroyed and recreated the marvel multi-verse.

Observe:


Nowhere in those scans does it say the combined multiverse was nullified/restored.

Also, here's what it says on Marvels official wiki:

http://marvel.com/universe/Abraxas

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Reed nullified the universe itself. The universe restored itself to its previous normality, with Abraxas nowhere to be found. The Silver Surfer and Namorita were returned to life.


THE universe. One.

And regardless, there's still an incomplete Infinity Gauntlet deflecting the Nullifier.

Nullifier < incomplete IF < Living Tribunal = Lucifer Morningstar.

Give or take.

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