Is it possible to perfect SS3 in the same type of way that Gohan and Goku perfected their regular SS forms while in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Could Goku, for example, master SS3 to such a degree that it no longer required any effort to maintain?
Hm, I don't think so. Goku explicitly stated: "Super Saiyan 3 is ONLY supposed to be used in the afterlife. It uses too much energy for this world of time. You get instantly worn out!" And with the exception of BoG, wherein he was only a SSJ3 for like a minute-or-two total, every time Goku has used that transformation in battle, its 'drain-you' factor has been clearly noted--even in the GT era. That said, I tend to think of SSJ3 as a proverbial wild horse that just can't be broken, and it seems like Goku has come to terms with this. So IF he chooses to use the form, he knows going in that he HAS to get the job done QUICK, otherwise he's f*cked...And powerless.
Aside from that, SSJ3 has always seemed like a total waste of a transformation; completely impractical. Sure, it gives you a huge amp for a few minutes--but the tradeoff is completely taxing your power reserves. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 14th, 2014 at 08:40 PM
Half-half after some reading. SS3 is meant to drain their physical stamina to amp their Ki, so from that we could assume that he has already achieved a high control of this state. However he already seems to be able to jump into it without that build up. And on that note, the answer to this seems to be gaining a greater physical stamina, right? How would things be if he spent a year focused on increasing his stamina?
Some evidence lies in our non-canon GT. Kid Goku was taking the punishment from SS3 far hasrsher then he used to, obviously due to his state. But once he regained his tail he lasted far longer than without, going from (on-screen) running out with 1 minute usage to over 3 mins before being forcible knocked out of the state with a far more intense fight, meaning he could have gone further. Not canon but its similar to the stamina point above.
I believe that while the form itself is designed to be a quick use form, what with the forcible draining, there should still be methods to counter. Whether its reducing the amount it drains, like Goku and Gohan did while staying in their S1 state to get used to it, or gaining a greater stamina for this purpose.
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The thing you have to remember is that SSJ3 is unlike any other transformation/powerup throughout the entire DBZ mythos, when it comes to the physical toll it takes on its user. This is evident by the fact that it is only sustainable for any decent length of time in the afterlife--ie. when the stamina limitations of your physical/living form aren't really present.
NO other Saiyan transformation is as taxing on its user as SSJ3--not even close, in fact. Because of that, you can't really use, say, Goku mastering SSJ1 as a measuring stick for him potentially mastering SSJ3, because even as a n00b SSJ1, Goku still never had any issues maintaining that transformation for extended periods of time--even when he first transformed against Frieza. Whenever he goes SSJ3, however, his power is almost completely drained within just a few minutes, thus rendering the form unsustainable.
Long story short: I really can't see Goku overcoming the stamina limitations of a SSJ3. It seems like that's just part of the transformation no matter what you do. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 14th, 2014 at 11:59 PM
Why is it that the afterlife body can maintain the form but the mortal body cannot?
The Funimation translation states that this is due to the mortal body draining energy twice as fast in the SSJ3 state so he is draining it faster than he can gather it (this is not canon: only the English dub version). That makes sense, of course. But it is not canon.
The only way I could possible seeing it being perfected is 2 years in the time chamber with extreme exposure high intensity training sparring with at least 2 as strong or stronger then him and unlimited sensu beans for them all.
Each session would have to last 3-4 minutes of hard hard training going all out as Goku is going to be trying to go all out. He would have to be giving it his all for each training session and going down into base form, taking a few sensu and starting back up.
Doing this over and over and hard core training might work. However I doubt we will ever get to see this as they have moved him into God mode which blows SS3 out of the water in speed, power, strength, and energy.
No real particulars were given in the manga, from what I can recall. It was just stated that a mortal/living body doesn't possess the same stamina and power-storing capacity as an immortal/dead body.
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