I was under the impression Ragna was a city buster since he destroyed the NOL branches but the story doesn't specify whether he destroyed the entire Hierarchal cities too or just the branch bases themselves.
He survived being stabbed through the gut and chest by Nu so he can take some pretty nasty damage.
I don't think NOL branches are that big and Ragna gets his power from the Azure Grimoire, somethin' he is clearly not in full control of and would prolly destroy him if he used it excessively. The one giant Black Beast that appears from Ragna's AG seemed hella powerful, tho. Still waitin' to see what he does wit that thing. The Black Beast would prolly kill Akuma.
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Hmmm... not entirely sure about the winner, Ragna is pretty powerful, but I have no clear idead as to how powerful he really is, so I'm gonna have to say Akuma wins this unless I see some more feats from Ragna.
Nuclear weapons shot at the Black Beast were like pebbles against it. The Nox Nyctoris are able to injure it.
Hakumen was able to cut and kill the Black Beast, and Ragna was able to best him, although Hakumen was weakened compared to his prime.
Hard time against Jin or Noel?
Yeah, when he is holding back, and he still beat Jin. Never had a hard time against Noel, dunno where you got that.
Nu, like him, is one half of the Black Beast, and is virtually unable to be killed permanently, only a weapon such as Hakumen's sword holds that power.
Ragna is one of the most powerful characters in the cast, only Terumi, Rachel Alucard, and probably a full-powered Hakumen are stronger.
Not due to durability, it was because the Black Beast can only be harmed through magic.
Lol, with prep, with 5 others, with incredible magic, and with all of humanity to aid in creating the "Armagus" weapon. No, Hakumen did not solo the black best...far from it
This is A>B>C logic, not to mention Hakumen himself, even in his prime will have his body shattered by a holding back Akuma.
Where was it indicated that he was holding back, last I checked, he BARLEY won.
Either Noel's or Ragna's story mode.
They are not halfs of anything, they hold ITEMS that are half of the Black Beast. Items that can be stripped from them. An item Ragna can't even use effectively.
Malarkey...don't know where you got this from. Ragna has been shown that he can die. He's not the black beast.
You can not prove this...
Blazblue is not as strong as you seem to think. At least not yet, due to the fact that the plot has barely been revealed.
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Fun fact, Nu and Ragna don't have the halfs of the Black Beast at all, they're fake imitations. Sooooo....yeeeaaahh.
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I take back what I said, I'm not gonna even say that Akuma stomps. We don't even know the outcome of the current BB plot, to just be throwin, these guys into VS threads and makin' outrageous claims. Even Continuum Shift fails at tyin' up any important lose ends.
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1. Right, because I am sure you can find me a statement that it can only be harmed through magic.
2. Prep? O RLY? Where was this stated? Sure, they had to make their Nox Nyctores, but that is not really "prep." Incredible magic at their possession. All of humanity uniting to create the Armagus? You mean... The power they can wield at will? As for the other five, yes, they aided him, but Jubei himself admitted that the "star of the show" was Hakumen, giving most of the credit to him.
3. There are powers in Blazblue that make are superior to Gouki. Like the Black Beast. You know, the one Hakumen fought.
4. Barely. Riiiiiiight. Also, he did not use the Azure Grimoire, aka holding back. He only ever released it to fight Hakumen, Nu I think, and to attack Terumi.
5. I call shenanigans. Also, Noel is not exactly weak.
6. Semantics. Items they can use, you guessed it, AT WILL. And that is bullshit, Ragna is NEEDED to create the Black Beast, he becomes a part of it. Also, the Azure Grimoire is not an item that can just be "stripped." Cannot use effectively? He beat Hakumen.
7. Wasn't talking about Ragna, all he has is a vampiric healing factor. Was talking about Nu.
8. Who is stronger? Carl? No. Ragna is stronger than Litchi, Bang, Tager, Jin, Noel (Except in her full Murukumo form prolly), Arakune, Carl, Tsubaki (Prolly), Taokaka, and Nu. Of the playable cast, only the ones I mentioned are stronger than him once he releases the Grimoire.
9. Um, no, you have that completely wrong. Ragna only has an imitation of the Grimoire, which is meant to be wielded by Noel, yes, but the Black Beast IS the comination of Nu and Ragna, considering, you know, IT ****ING HAPPENS IN AN ENDING. Fun fact: The Black Beast is actually a failed experiment of Terumi's, to create Kusanagi, the Sword that Slays Gods. Noel is the success for that venture, and achieves this form in Continuum Shift, making her possibly even more powerful than the Black Beast.
1. "Armagus", a fusion of magic and technology." What indicates that this magical weapon can replicate an A Bomb.
2. Yes, 6 heroes had to help the humans make the Armagus. Hakuman was the main dude, he didn't solo the beast. They helped the humans create a weapons to harm the black beast. It was the 6 Heroes and an army of humans with magical weapons that beat the Black Beast, not just Haku. You're seriously tryin' to give Haku, like, 80% of the credit.
3. The Black Beast is the ONLY power presented, thus far, that MAY surpass the holding back Akuma we know of. And yup, Hakuman fought the Black Beast, but so did alot of other people.
4. The Grimoire is not Ragna. You act as if there are no negative effects on ragna when usin' the Grimoire. Hell, he's goin' to have to unleash an amount he never has before just to reach Akuma wit both hands tied behind his back.
5. Okay.....it's there if you ever wanna cruse through the story mode again.
6. My point is, he can't use enough of the Grimoire "AT WILL" to help him survive bein' hit wit a punch by a dude who can split Aeyers rock, whilst holdin' back. Your tryin' to make this Grimoire omnipotent. It drains his life and phucks him up after he's done. Where is this confirmed that Ragna himself, not Grimoire, is "NEEDED" to create the Black Beast?
7. Show me this.
8. You have a MAJOR problem wit this. It comes up in every debate me and you are in. The protagonist IS NOT ALWAYS 1000 TIMES STRONGER THAN THE REST OF THE CAST. He may be stronger than Carl, Bang, Litchi, Jin, Noel, Arakune, and Taokaka. But he can't STOMP these people! They are not on LVL 1 and he is on LVL 100 in comparison.
9. No Ragna has an imitation, the REAL Grimoire, not the piece of shit ragna has, is meant to be wielded by Noel. That ending is not canon, there are plenty of story elements and events in other endings that assume Ragna has the real Grimoire and that he, alone, is the Black Beast. I am well aware of the Black Beast's origins and all that Noel blassei.
Maybe I need to be shown that Ragna and Nu fuse to become the black beast in canon, but I swear I seen and read that it was the Grimoires and shit and not just those 2.
If sayin' they get their ass shredded by a dude who can kill peeps 1000 times in an instant and send chi blasts outta earth's atmosphere while holdin' back, implies a sign of weakness. Then yeah, I'm guilty.
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1. We know for a fact it can, that satellite that shot the blast Rachel deflected was vaporising mountains. And... That is such an incredibly vague definition the fact that you use it to disprove my claim is laughable, we know that with the power of Armagus' they were able to harm the Black Beast, despite its immunity to nukes. You have not provided proof the Black Beast has an inherent weakness to magic.
2. Hakumen was given most of the credit by Jubei, saying the rest were just along for the ride. Jubei is a far more reliable source than you are. You are missing my point by the way. My point was, that though nuclear weapons failed to harm the Beast, the Ars Magus's did not.
3. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha wut? The Black Beast was annihilating everything it stood up against, literally humanity's whole arsenal of weaponry was useless against it, Atom Bombs, hell, even H Bombs. You could NEVER prove Gouki has more power than an H Bomb, which when first made were a thousand times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb. Also, there is a living satellite or something that can nuke mountains. Terumi has not shown the full extent of his abilities, but he is so far the most powerful character in the series.
4. No, it is just in and always has been in Ragna's possession. That's like denying Link his sword or something. What negative effects are those?
5. Dun't feel like it, and was holding back, throughout most of the story he was.
6. Possibly. Cannot be proven either way. I am not arguing for Ragna, only against your assertion of how weak he is. Drains his life? Funny, after using it to fight Hakumen, he then fought Nu and attacked Terumi with it... Yeah. Where? Well, it might be the ****ing fact that Ragna does not have the actual Grimoire, the only real Grimoires are wielded by Terumi and Noel at full power. And... It was never shown to be born except when Ragna merges with the Black Beast. The reason Hakumen ****ing attacks Ragna is because he could become the Black Beast.
7. Ragna has "killed" Nu like three times, said in the Arcade Mode and I think in at least one Story Path.
8. Major problem? Oh yeah, the Sol Badguy thing right? Weird thing is this case is kind of like the case with Sol, as Ragna is basically just a lamer version of him. Ragna while HOLDING BACK is able to fight with and beat Jin Kisaragi, who is considered very strong by Blazblue standards, being a decorated Major with the title of "Hero" in the Librarium, hell, in Story Mode he in fact HAS stomped some of these people while holding back. Tager and Jin I admit are close, in fact Tager may be stronger than Jin, and potentially Bang Shishigami as well.
9. Terumi also has a real one, but I digress. Not canon? Dude, YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY ****ING NOTHING ABOUT THE PLOT OF BLAZBLUE. Fun fact: ALL the endings happened, as well as all the paths. Do you wonder how this is possible? It is because time has been continuously looping, all endings and paths are technically canon, the true ending is just the one that broke the loop.
One of the endings, where it is pitch-black and Ragna is forced to watch as the Beast, him, kills Noel.
@Neme,
I did play all endings and the true ending for the first game. I need to look back and see if what you're saying is right about Ragna vs Hakumen but either way Hakumen is severely weakened all throughout the first game. We'll see if he gets his strength back for the second game.
1. I seen explosions, not vaporize mountains. Common sense tells you that the beast can only be harmed through magic. They try everything until 6 heroes with magic come along and help humans create magic weapons that suddenly work on the beast. Come on, pal. No one in BB who uses magic has shown to be able to use it to replicate Akuma like feats, yet it can kill the black beast?
2. "Hakumen was given most of the credit by Jubei". For 1, it's clear Jubei was just bein' humble. 2, how does this mean that Haku basically soloed the beast? 3, we know the beast didn't croak 'til they made the weapons for the humans to kill it. So "bah" to all that.
3. Oh wow, the world in a fictional universe can't stand up to a creature. That means true power. Hell in the UDON comic, Bison used the P.Drive once and the entire world surrendered and allowed it's fate to be decided on Bison's terms. Until I see the black beast split Ayers rock and casually destroy an island, talk to me. What bomb in this world can split Ayers rock or blow up an island and trigger volcanoes? It's even been shown that an A Bomb only destroys like 4 of 17 ships around it in test. Akuma destroys ships with his legs. Akuma does all this holding back. Let's not start implyin' limits on Akuma where there is no clearly evidence of any.
4. Your tryin' to make it seem like Ragna can naturally beat Akuma, when to stand even a 1% of a chance, he needs help form an outside force, the Grimoire, which is still aint enough to get past 10% of Akuma. That was my point. Answered that other question already.
5. Lol, I think otherwise...
6. "My assertion of how weak he is" is in comparison to Akuma. That's all it is. He would step to Akuma and be obliterated. Then Akuma would go on and on about how weak he was for usin' the Grimoire and not his own fists. Ragna unleashes the Grimoire as a super, and it clearly drains his energy. It's fake, it's not goin' to be perfect. And it's pretty clear that Haku has his own delusions about Ragna. Half the cast believe in the myth that Ragna is the black beast.
7. Nu was not immortal. Time kept rewindin' itself some how (forgot how).
8. And in both cases, your power scalin' is incredibly flawed. Ragna does not use the Grimoire all willy nilly cuz it can kill him. He aint just "holding back".
9. "YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY ****ING NOTHING ABOUT THE PLOT OF BLAZBLUE."
I don't know shit about BB cuz I don't believe the lame ass, bullshit claims you make up and can continue to make cuz the plot is so damn vaugue? This here is very funny
"ALL the endings happened, as well as all the paths. Do you wonder how this is possible? It is because time has been continuously looping, all endings and paths are technically canon."
I want you to prove this stupid ass claim right here. If all the endings were canon, they wouldn't have a true ending path.
No he's not. You play more BB, pal.
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And that is bullshit, Ragna is NEEDED to create the Black Beast, he becomes a part of it. Also, the Azure Grimoire is not an item that can just be "stripped." Cannot use effectively? He beat Hakumen. 
