Edit; watched the first fight, neither are excerting more forces than a human body can take without moving and Neme is right, the guy looks like he would fall over in a breeze so unless hes got some major feat later on I wouldnt put him against Kain even unarmed.
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Best strength feat that I've seen so far is casually collapsing a fortress wall that's about 3 feet deep and maybe 30 feet high.
He then goes on to bust a forcefield that put up more of a resistance that the wall, but was still easily overcome.
Those are durability feats as well, just from the self strain.
There's also this:
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He is able to block sword strikes between two fingers. And though it might not have been the intent, the edge would be clearly hitting skin by the way the image looks. I've only seen barely past the third dungeon so far, so I don't yet know the extent of this Link's strength, but so far the best I've seen him do is lift up boulders about the size of his torso, over his head--so not yet that impressive.
Also a dinky wooden shield is canonically (You cant get better than that by the looks of it at the time) used against him and can take his blows.
Hes not strong enough to do any damage, nor has shown no soak. His best bet is to teleport flee and even then, Kain will decimate with dimentional port.
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Then it will be even footing. Although words are lovely but proof is better.
- Falling a distance of about 5-10 meters incapacitates him...lol, Kain tosses him into the air and then just impales him when he falls helpless on the ground with one finger.
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Last edited by Burning thought on Nov 23rd, 2011 at 04:31 PM
You have to BUY shields. It's not given to you. And they can break--even the stronger iron and sacred shields. Ergo you don't automatically have a shield in that fight as it can break before you ever reach him.
Thus far it seems you can go throughout the game without ever having one. So no, a wooden shield never canonically blocked anything of his.
Kindly get a clear picture of things before you make statements.
In all the videos I watched, people used the shield to block him. Is that unnecessery then? I thought you had to shield bash him or something.
Although i dont suppose you have any argument for him being able to win, or vids of his feats?
Also, it seems people who play the games a lot do not have a clear picture of things considering Scream just claimed he cant be hurt yet watching the vid, falling a few meters incapacitates him so I am not too worried.
Without his magic he's still formidable, so fine, I'll get on with the cutscenes and such, beware of SPOILAHS. AginoEvolution, you said, CosmicComet? Let's see then:
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Catching Link's sword with his fingers. Link at this point is pushing large metal blocks, slightly smaller than the ones Raziel pushes. Ghirahim's weakest form is this one.[/spoilers]
[spoiler]Ghirahim blowing through the wall, tossing several large boulders and bits of debris out of the way. Just eyeballing it puts him at stronger than Raziel, and that dash makes him faster than Kain. He then breaks the barrier and shows off some jumping power. Note the he hasn't powered up yet.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: First video just shows off Ghirahim's teleport speed, much faster and easier than Kain's. Second video is describing Ghirahim's arms as "tougher than any armor." Understandable hyberbole, but worth mentioning that his arms become even tougher than the sword catching fingers before. Third video is just dual wielding swords and how he blocks and such.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: More teleportation for the first video. Second video is the transformation. Third is his description. He's stronger than before, certainly stronger than Kain, and he's immune to the Master Sword. At least, as long as Link isn't using a Fatal Blow on the weak point.
Overall, Ghirahim seems to be faster than Kain, stronger than Kain, and his durability is sufficient to tank Kain's attacks. His teleport is generally faster than Kain's, and he can block Kain with his many, many swords.
Erm no, just eyeballing it shows its a few chunks of rock from an unkown attack. If he had lifted up the wall then maybe but smashing them, no.
Same speed as the dimentional port, although ive not seen him attack out of it. And sword catching fingers is not "toughness", hes using two fingers to catch links sword.
Overall Ghirahim based on your evidence only has at best a better teleport. That is all, vastly inferior power and defence.
Also, Cosmic said no magic or exotic powers but the sword Kain uses is empowered with a lot of powers by its nature, blood and soul devouring being the easy way to win. Although I stick by what I said, Kain can do this with his hands.
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Nov 22nd, 2011 10:17 PM
GJ, Kain can't hurt him.
