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Juggernaut vs Odin

purely physical combat.
juggernaut and Odin are in a mystical arena, the size of a small town. if either character is thrown/moves out of the arena, they will magically be transported back - instantaneously.

the only way to escape the arena is to kill your opponent.

juggernaut is at his classical levels of power and Odin is well whatever Odin is outside of Asgard.

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Sep 6th, 2007 09:13 AM

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physical only? Isnt Odin only like a class 50? Sure hes skilled in H2H but he doesnt have any way of hurting juggy with just physical attacks, Juggy wins...

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Juggy also has no way of hurting Odin...but Odin could make Cyttorak his ***** and force him to strip Juggs of his powers. Then bye-bye Cain.

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Odin can amp, no?

is Odin > Cyttorak?

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Odin can amp, no?

is Odin > Cyttorak?

Odin amping means he is using his powers, you said purely physical.

I don't think Odin is capable of amping his strength to a degree that it can overcome Juggernaut's enchanment, he would I think be able to negate it temporarly with full use of his powers.

Cyttorak is an Elder God so he may be above Odin (although I'm not sure) even so Odin doesn't have to be above Cyttorak to use his powers to overcome the enchantment.

Thor after all isn't but has achieved it with his hammer.

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Odin amping means he is using his powers, you said purely physical.

I don't think Odin is capable of amping his strength to a degree that it can overcome Juggernaut's enchanment, he would I think be able to negate it temporarly with full use of his powers.

Cyttorak is an Elder God so he may be above Odin (although I'm not sure) even so Odin doesn't have to be above Cyttorak to use his powers to overcome the enchantment.

Thor after all isn't but has achieved it with his hammer.

^^ This is true, Cytorrak is indeed above Odin in terms of power in terms of Marvel cosmology.

The answer all depends on how far Juggernaut can tap into the power of Cytorrak. If he was capable of tapping into his full power, then he would defeat Odin, but we don't have conclusive proof that he can do that (except during the 8th day saga).

If Odin cannot amp his strength and durability, however, he goes down hard. If he can amp it... then unknown outcome. Odin seems to be able to draw in power faster than Juggernaut, but Juggernaut seems to have basically an unlimited source of energy to tap into as well, so eventually Juggernaut might be able to overpower Odin if he could use the full force of Cytorrak. I am undecided.

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Odin is a class 80, with the ability to amplify his own powers and such. Never seen Juggernaut will himself to above skyfather level :/

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If shatterstar can hurt Juggs with a magic/science sword, i think odins magical weapons will kill Juggs

Odin for the win

Now are his weapons allowed? Physical meaning just fist?

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Cain could hold his own against Odin in purely physical.

Base Odin is only Class 75 according to Marvel. He can amp using the Odin-force and theoretically reach infinite levels of strength - however if he's not allowed to do that then Cain would have the advantage.

Odin does have a huge advantage in experience and combat skill. He's a veteran warrior who would probably make Cain look stupid - however he couldn't hurt him just physically.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Hercules
Odin amping means he is using his powers, you said purely physical.

I don't think Odin is capable of amping his strength to a degree that it can overcome Juggernaut's enchanment, he would I think be able to negate it temporarly with full use of his powers.

Cyttorak is an Elder God so he may be above Odin (although I'm not sure) even so Odin doesn't have to be above Cyttorak to use his powers to overcome the enchantment.

Thor after all isn't but has achieved it with his hammer.

purely physical means using physical attacks and defences.
Odinforce is Odin's power, but he's free to manifest it however he likes.

much as Surfer can amp up his physical stats to whatever level is necessary for the job in hand.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by janus77
purely physical means using physical attacks and defences.
Odinforce is Odin's power, but he's free to manifest it however he likes.

much as Surfer can amp up his physical stats to whatever level is necessary for the job in hand.

Then Odin will win the fight.

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quote: (post)
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purely physical means using physical attacks and defences.
Odinforce is Odin's power, but he's free to manifest it however he likes.

much as Surfer can amp up his physical stats to whatever level is necessary for the job in hand.

I see, so would he be able to use his powers to remove the enchantment as well as amp his strength and durabilty?

Sep 6th, 2007 02:48 PM

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lol@ "cannot hurt juggernaut physically".
can juggernaut even hurt Odin?

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I see, so would he be able to use his powers to remove the enchantment as well as amp his strength and durabilty?

no, because he's gotta fight juggernaut physically.

general query:
why is this simple statement proving so difficult to understand? confused

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no, because he's gotta fight juggernaut physically.

general query:
why is this simple statement proving so difficult to understand?

Maybe because you said "Odinforce is Odin's power, but he's free to manifest it however he likes."

So, obvioulsy if he HAS to fight him phsyically hes not free to manifest his power as he likes...

Sep 6th, 2007 02:57 PM

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Maybe because you said "Odinforce is Odin's power, but he's free to manifest it however he likes."

So, obvioulsy if he HAS to fight him phsyically hes not free to manifest his power as he likes...

you were looking at the wrong statement.
it's the "he has to fight him physically" that I was referring to stick out tongue

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Originally posted by janus77
you were looking at the wrong statement.
it's the "he has to fight him physically" that I was referring to .

Fair enough, I just wanted to clarify.

I'm still not sure if Odin can amp himself to a strength level to overcome the enchanment physically though, for the moment I am undecided.

Sep 6th, 2007 03:21 PM

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quote: (post)
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no, because he's gotta fight juggernaut physically.

general query:
why is this simple statement proving so difficult to understand?

Can odin use weapons? like the magical ones he has?

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Re: Juggernaut vs Odin

quote: (post)
Originally posted by janus77
purely physical combat.
juggernaut and Odin are in a mystical arena, the size of a small town. if either character is thrown/moves out of the arena, they will magically be transported back - instantaneously.

the only way to escape the arena is to kill your opponent.

juggernaut is at his classical levels of power and Odin is well whatever Odin is outside of Asgard.

Odin

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