Possibly, no one really knows right now for the starbrand has limitless potential that can only be hindered by its host. I am looking forward to seeing more of him.
I can't quite categorize the Brand at this time, but I will say this; there are certain characteristics that a character needs before they can be considered a Sky Father even though they possess the power output of one, and that is versatility. Odin, and Zeus can do several things that Thanos for example can not do which is why the Titan should never be counted among this tier. I would place a Brand user at this point at High Trans, due to the idea that he can not create life, imbue objects with great power, stop time, impart portions of his own life force to make powerful Herald tier beings... yadda yadda. In my opinion in order to sport the Sky Father title, a character need to possess all of those things, and still have the ability to take out a team of Trans level beings or at least give such a team a very hard time in terms of figuring out how to take them down.
The Starbrand should be able to take on a team of herald level characters with moderate difficulty. He was able to take hits from Thor, the Hulk, and Hyperion, and it was clear that they could have included the Silver Surfer among them, with Blue Marvel, and still have a hard time taking him down.
Thor the Hulk, and Hyperion would destroy the Silver Surfer if you consider the idea that Thor alone got the better of Norrin in their most recent encounter. Thor hit the Starbrand, and he said that he barely even felt it. What would you call him?
You realize that the Starbrand's claim to fame is it's "planet busting" status right? Despite the fact that it hasn't done anything REMOTELY that impressive on panel feat wise.
Taking hits from Hulk/Hyperion/Thor is nice and all but you should remember they weren't going all out vs a freaking COLLEGE STUDENT.
The Surfer has busted planets (individually and shared), displayed planetary level TP, planetary level matter manipulation, time traveled under his own power (both forwards and backwards and he's used it offensively in battle when he BFRed an opponent into the distant future), created black holes, raised the dead, etc...
Show me ANYTHING current Starbrand has done that even approaches that and then we'll talk (remember Ellis/Hickman retconned everything relating to the Starbrand, so current Starbrand is the ONLY thing you can go by).
A PISless/CISless Surfer would push current Starbrand's shit in. Enjoy that black hole in your chest cavity Starbrand.
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Say what you will Zop, but in no way would Norrin ever toy with Thor alone, now add Hyperion to the mix, and throw in the Hulk for good measure, and he gets the toilet swirlies. The Surfer never raised the dead either. That deer that he healed wasn't dead yet. Close but it wasn't dead. The other things that you mentioned have nothing to do with the fact that a Brand user would beat norrin to death with his own arm.
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If they were phucking around and underestimating Surfer, they'd get even worse treatment.
What did Starbrand do vs that trio that was so spectacular, keeping in mind they weren't going all out vs an innocent college student that just got his power? BFRing the Hulk? How is that beyond Surfer's power? Causing Hyperion pain? How is that beyond Surfer's power? Dismissing Mjolnir? How is that beyond Surfer's power (seeing as he's already done it before, see Chaos War).
Has Starbrand even WON a fight yet?
Now show me anything he's done on panel that can compare to those examples I gave you involving Surfer's feats.
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Surfer cant take on Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, and Ms. Marvel at the same, even if they were holding back (and where did you get that from...they were holding back)?
They weren't fighting a super villain Carver. They were fighting an innocent college student that just got his power. I think they even mentioned that on panel but I don't care enough to look it up.
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So far the score for Infinity has the brand operating at a higher level than Noriin by quite a large margin. Norrin couldn't even stop those (I forgot their names at the moment) bots from destroying a planet. The Brand was never categorized as a world killer, but more to the tune of a world protector. It takes a lot more to protect something than it does to destroy it in many cases. Thor's Mjolnir shots have hurt Norrin in the past, whereas the Brand treated like a child's tap, and that was before he ever realized what kind of power he had. he also casually lifted his hand and blew up ships capable of destroying a planet. Again what has Norrin done aside from saving one Skrull child from his worlds destruction. This can go on for an entire night, and I just don't have the stuff of legends that you do Zop . So hows about this, I will gladly come back and apologize to you for being wrong about the Brand if Norrin proves to be a larger asset in the upcoming Infinity books, or I will gladly remind you that a Brand user is a High Trans level character when he outshines Norrin. Hows about that? You know I'm right. So you'd better get ready to eat crow... Bro.
Yet we have Hulk dive bombing him from Space and Ironman telling Thor to end it with a hammer shot. Yeah, that sounds like someone is holding back to me.
A) The Starbrand did jack vs that Builder fleet my friend. It was the Avengers and their allies that saved the day by hacking and then decimating the Builders fleet. The Starbrand destroyed the already wounded stragglers.
B) Surfer's showing during Infinity means jack because he has a HISTORY of spectacular feats that are beyond anything Starbrand has done. And unlike the Starbrand, this hasn't been retconned. So Hickman phucking over Surfer during Infinity is meaningless.
Oh and I forgot to add something to the list of things the mere "high herald" Surfer has done with his power, additions and corrections in RED :
Hickman's Starbrand is outclassed by Surfer.
They were though, so....
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Zop there will be a direct comparison of whom will be the largest asset in the story at large, and once we get the score it won't matter about what Norrin did in the past. Currently, he would simply be out-shined by a larger power than his own. The brand is simply being written up to be above the Surfer and his peer group of High Herald level beings. no matter how you may attempt to flatten the feat, the idea of him simply raising his hand, and blowing up that much matter is above anything that i have seen Norrin do to space War Ships of that caliber. I have his entire run that was sketched by Ron Lim back in the day, and I can't see a guy like Khoon nearly killing a Brand user. However i see a Brand user casually ripping him apart. Like I said before though, let's see how Marvel scales the Brand in this series, and that will count as canon to all of the characters taking part in it in terms of power levels. After all the brand just got his powers, and he hasn't even gone for broke with them yet. So far as I said the Surfer was far less impressive in this arc than the Brand. Let's just wait and see.
Me and Carver are going to waiting to show you the error of your ways.
It matters what he did in the past because we see how Hickman is writing his "story". He's already had the LT humiliated by these guys. The phucking LT humiliated by people that go around busting planets with spaceships (that had to run when the Avengers turned their ships against them!). So you can see why him screwing the Surfer over is meaningless.
And like I said, nothing the Surfer has done in the past has been retconned by Hickman (unlike the Starbrand) so despite this pitiful showing by an @$$hole writer, Surfer still outclasses ANYTHING the Starbrand has done on panel.
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. So hows about this, I will gladly come back and apologize to you for being wrong about the Brand if Norrin proves to be a larger asset in the upcoming Infinity books, or I will gladly remind you that a Brand user is a High Trans level character when he outshines Norrin. Hows about that? You know I'm right. So you'd better get ready to eat crow... Bro.
