Anyways, the only one I think Supes has real trouble with is current versions, and that's because of the magic weakness. That weakness didn't exist pre crisis, so that's more of a 50/50 proposition..
Well, as a rule, DC usually tends to show Superman and Captain Marvel to be equals and peers. Both of them have showings that place them over the other and have "wins" due to plot device or otherwise dubious circumstances.
CM 1 mil was basically an average joe youth who couldn't afford one of those "Super power patches" of the era, who happened to uncover a dooway to the Rock of Eternity, where Billy, looking as old as Shazam, was resting. Billy gets rudely woken by excavators, and eventually decides to empower this young individual as his new champion.
The patches kind of make this new Captain Marvel less super than Superman 1 Mil though, since anyone who could afford a patch can get powers on the level of mainstream Supes.
One little glitch in Morrison's design: The Rock of Eternity exists in all time/space/dimensions, so an aged Billy living in the rock kind of contradicts that.
Yeah, Superman really shortchanges himself by playing to Captain Marvels strengths (Considering Billy "wants" Superman to brawl with him, and take advantage of the magic weakness..)
If he fought smart, there's lots of potential tactics he could try, like simply flying out of his range and using a telescopic/heat vision assault. Or maybe taking the fight in some dark place where Billy can't see, and Supes vision would give him an advantage..
Also, I'm pretty sure Cap and Adam don't have Supermans lung capacity, so he could simply knock them out of Earths orbit or into the ocean and hold them there until they suffocate...
Superman already beat CM in KC, so it should not be debated. Same goes for Superman 1 million. He already beat AS Superman, and CM1M is still the same dude. He loses easily.
PC Superman can beat CM but because of his weakness to Magic, he loses.
The only question is if Superman can beat the mainstream CM. IMO, he has better feats, and beat better opponents. He should win.
Yeah, but that was because of the deus ex mechanica "Billy's lightning backfires on him" thing. Seriously, Billy should never, ever use the magic lightning as a weapon, because it ALWAYS goes badly for him...
Now Black Adam, he has it down to a science.. When he busts out the lightning, towering demons go down, Martain Manhunter loses, Spectre gets a hole punched through his head..
The "psycho crusher" he used on Spectre has to be the best use of magic lightning ever.
Anyways, the KC fight is debatable, on account of Billy only losing due to a stupid mistake.
Did it look like KC Superman was stronger than Marvel before using the lightning?
They looked as even as they always did to me. And besides, they used to be even before Death and Return of Superman, yet after Superman got his upgrade through Kryptonite X, he and Cap were still even. It seems no matter how powerful Superman gets, Cap gets "unofficial" upgrades to keep up, evening them out.
What? What sort of stupid logic is this? Apparently beating someone by a technicality means it is inarguable that they win 10/10? Conveniently forgetting Spectre's words themselves, putting Captain Marvel as the 'only one who can counter his every move' in regards to Supes. Or Supes himself saying Marvel was 'the mightiest of us'.
Even if KC Supes had a legit ko win over KC Cap, it would still be 'arguable'. Especially if he was busted up in the process. It wouldn't mean he would win 10/10 if it was close. On the contrary, it would enforce the 50/50 thing, that they can trade wins on any given day.
First of all, Superman always likes to makes people to be strong.
-Subjekt 17, he claims is stronger then him, yet he still kicks his ass
-CM, claims is mightier, yet he still kicks his ass
-John Johnz, Superman claims he is stronger then the entire JLA, yet, he loses to any opponent that Superman beats easily.
You can go around saying it's a technicality, but CM lost because he used his lighting and it wouldn't happen again and again. IF you had read KC, you'd realize that Superman was trying to talk some sense into CM without hurting him. Heck, even when Superman was not playing serious, he was still winning. CM had to rely on his Magical spell to try and save himself.
Same for you. Why did he use the lighting? Because CM was losing, he was losing to a Superman who wasn't trying to kill him or anything, but rather talk sense into his flawed reasoning. With HV, Superman starting getting the upper hand easily. So yeah, without the lighting, CM still lost.
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