AM can't alter reality can he? MJJ thinks him out of existence. What could AM possibly do against that? When you go up against someone who can change reality by thinking it, the only kind of opponent who could stand a chance is someone who is immune or someone with the same powers.
Wasn't there someone on here a long time ago who showed that COIE AM is overrated because he absorbed the power of universes that were just fragmented smaller and weaker universes that came originally from one whole universe? If that were true then that would make even COIE AM just a universal threat at most.
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Remember though opr Jaspers 238 alone was more powerful than Matrix/Merlyn.
As you know, JJ 616 was far more powerful than that still.
That's not a really fair assessment of what happened there opr.
First,
that's not Fury/MJJ, that's just Fury (Jaspers is inconsequential at this point)
also,
Brian caught the Fury off-guard while it was regenerating right after it had consumed Jaspers,
and while the Fury was healing quickly, it obviously never got to optimal conditions,
which is why Albion and Brian punched a huge hole through its torso,
then comes Blink and dumps her entire pack of energy quills into the hole,
exploding the "vulnerable" Fury. (as Blink stated)
Second,
Claremont certified classic Fury's unbelievable durability feat,
which was ... withstanding cosmic scale spatial-temporal nullification:
In other words,
an entire universe/eternity-infinity, getting erased from existence and Fury tanking it.
Yet, Albion, Brian and silly energy quills should fair better? ... Nah.
"Die by the Sword" should not be used as a reference point to define Fury/MJJ combined,
because there were circumstances and stipulations involved.
(+ they were never depicted merged anyway, it was always either or)
We should just take the characters as we know them individually, and combine them ourselves.
(Jaspers also never came close to being stopped let alone defeated in Die by the Sword)
...
Which is why I won't comment on who could win,
cause cross company established understandings come into conflict.
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Matrix/Merlin?? this wasn't introduced until Excalibur v1 (in the 90s), though, so it doesn't apply. At the time, Merlin clearly wasn't an omniversal/multiversal power.
In any case, i can prove that Merlyn wasn't that powerful at the time with actual showings, ill post them if needed.
Ok, you're right that Jaspers was inconsequential. And i am aware that there were certain stipulations in its defeat (if you go to MJJ's or Fury's marvunapp page you'll also notice it's stated that MJJ's struggle for control weakened the fury) but that's the version that the OP is using.
I realize what the fury has done in the past but it doesn't take away from the fact that it was destroyed in the story (with the stipulations).
And MJJ was about to be defeated toward the end of issue 4, that's why the fury took over in the first place, as explained at the beginning of issue 5:
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Matrix/Merlyn? Correct. Introduced until? Merlyn merged with the Matrix,
back in the day,
way before either Jaspers' sprung to life.
In any case, I can prove many things concerning Merlyn too,
so, ill post them if needed.
I got em lined up in fact from past debates years prior, let me know.
So, if you're gonna pop up with lowballing pis/senseless showings,
I'll return with all his high-end/properly written feats.
Fair enuff. But I never disputed what took place in Die by the Sword,
just that it isn't sound to use it as a basis for reference imo.
I wouldn't call that a Fury ability. JJ simply warped his own arm into a pistol canon.
Does it resemble the Fury canon? Sure.
But this is only cause the Fury though dormant, was still inspiring Jaspers with ideas.
Imo, neither Jaspers or Fury displayed any of the other's abilities.
In Jaspers' case, you can't even tell since he controls reality.
I completely disagree.
You have a scan that shows Jaspers about to be defeated, in any way shape or form?
I know you do not friend.
The only reason Jaspers was stopped/defeated was due to the
exact same reason he lost the first time around back in the day ... the Fury.
Lowballing? you think this is what it is? More like what's actually intended to take place.
Im not going to lawball, but im going to show you what actually happened, Captain Britain v1 #36, Merlyn battles Nykonn (a random sorcerer) in a laughable battle, which ends up with Merlyn being essentially powerless:
I don't believe that Jaspers manifesting Fury abilities to be a coincidence when he's merged with it. Fury is giving him ideas? perhaps, but i find Jaspers having Fury's abilities as the more likely outcome.
The reason Fury took over was because MJJ was threatened, it's right there in the narration. And this is particularly shown in this scan where everyone starts to surround MJJ:
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Just as expected. And I don't know what it is you're showing me that "happened."
(other than some old butt showing)
Let's try other things though shall we. I'll return with note worthy feats.
Like creating Otherworld from scratch. Otherwolrd is a Pan-Dimensional reality.
Or the Starlight Citadel, which is a freakin omniversal Nexus. etc.
On Panel > bios ... always and forever.
What Fury abilities? Jaspers warping his own arm into a pistol canon for a moment or two?
Imo, that's more resembling Fury's appearance rather than manifesting actual Fury abilities.
After all, there was a part of Jaspers that "reflects" the Fury: (unbeknownst to MJJ)
"We hit Jaspers with everything we had. And he destroyed us."
Sabertooth didn't mention how nearly the entire omniversal corp was wiped out.
Jaspers owned everyone that came across him, they jumped him, and it was no use.
Up until the Fury began to take over. Which is the only thing that stopped Jaspers.
It's clear via narration in the scan above, that Jaspers is losing control to the Fury:
So that's what happened, it can't be denied my friend.
I can't fathom how you could possibly understand that when looking at issues 1-4.
Jaspers never once came close to being stopped or losing or anything remotely resembling a loss.
Even when Saturnyne incinerated his inner organs (including brain)
and literally blew his soul out of his body. It still did not give him pause.
Anyway, on this particular detail I will not debate further
cause I'm right and any further discussion is a circle.
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