This is tough. Agamotto fought Galactus to a stand still, but Galactus was hungry, and they were in Agamotto's realm.
I would imagine that Shuma Gorath is almost as powerful as Agamotto.
If this is true, since Crom was able to defeat Shuma Gorath, that would put Crom at the top of the Old God, possibly Skyfather tier.
And place him closer to Galactus.
If it is a full-power G, in regular Marvel Universe, I say he wins. If they are in Shuma's realm, I think Shuma would in.
Yeah. It almost seems like he looks down his nose at magic so much, that he doesn't give it ANY respect, even when going up against serious opponents.
Maybe he can't understand energies from the non-physical universe or something.
But, I agree that he probably has more raw power. He just doesn't know what to do with these guys.
i think galactus was womping agomotto since all he could do was reform (agommotto) while galactus just kept destroying his new forms, he wasnt doing that great offensivly, besides that im not sure who would win on one hand galactus has been shown to eat the celestial home world in the future yes a future tied to this one, but shuma got beaten by one celestial host.
Galactus was NOT whomping on Agamotto. That was his perception, but as Strange pointed out, it was in Agamotto's realm, and Agamotto can't be hurt. So how exactly was he whomping someone that he couldn't hurt physically?
But as with Agamotto, he did it because he wanted to. He took whatever form he chose. Note that Strange didn't even hint at Galactus being able to win:
"Even Galactus can underestiate a foe. Because Agamotto's chosen, just now, to resemble various forms of caterpillar, he dismissed him as unworthy. Yet, the wrold-devourer is out of his element here--and IN Agamotto's--and that might just make the difference!"
"Galactus, meanwhile, tries blasting his foe to smithereens--but the physical approach will never work. He'll soon realize that Agamotto isn't really an 'insectod'--or even a corporeal being that can be hurt. Those are sinply guises he puts on when he's in the mood--not unlike his current speech pattern."
Oshtur and Hoggoth: "We would not see you lower yourself to the arrogant violence of a Galactus."
If my scanner stops cutting up, I'll post the pages.
You can't seriously suggest that Strange can hold Galactus, but Agamotto can't beat him? As I said before, Agamotto does what he does for reasons of his own. But seeing as how Galactus power could not destroy something that is essentially not physical, how was he going to defeat him? Keep blasting him?
and can you prove that agomotto could have defeated galactus? I mean his universe ok so what galactus fought mephesto in his universe and still won after he started eating it for all you know he could have and should have done the same thing here, i didnt hear agomotto bring him to his neas all that is, is out lasting your enemy cause you cant die, slade could do that to colossus if you take away his weapons, he could just keep comming back over and over till colossus was to tired to fight back but with out his weapons all he can really do is evade collosus yet not really hurt him.
Agamotto was fighting a hungry Galactus not a normal or Full Galactus, If he was if would be a different story, but still Agamotto in his relam is all powerful he would stalemate Galactus regardless, Galactus still has probles with beings that have magic and Agamotto is high on the food chain in that department, and he would have called upon limtless amount of magic to fight Galactus if he truly wanted to.
You certainly can't use Mephisto as a standard. I mean who HASN'T defeated him in his own realm? Even the F4 did that. And I have a feeling that the big G was about to get his butt handed to him right when the Vishanti intervened. One can never "prove" who would win a fight that ends, but my money'd be on Agamotto. He knows a lot more about Galactus than Galactus knows about him for starters. The fact that he showed no sign of tiredness or strain, coupled with the fact that mystics throughout the multiverse draw upon his power without there being any lessening of it for his own personal use, I'd wager that he'd have knocked Galactus back to 616 with his hooka.
that doesnt mean that he would have won the battle by his own power he'd have won maybe if he waited galactus out to be drained of his power then he'd womp him. but in my opinion agomotto cant beat galactus going at him head on.
Agamotto in his realm is unbeatable, Agamotto was laying blows on Galactus that made dr.strange say damn. Even though it was hungry Galactus a normal Galactus would have been a better match up but still Agamottto could have called upon more magical powers to fight Galactus and he probale could have beaten him. Galactus was hitting Agamotto with everything it didn't even phase agamotto it was pissing him off even more that's when the other vishanti stomp the battle.
They where fighting head up, are talikng about. Agamotto is one of the most powerfu/oldest magical beings in the universe. Agamotto was about to cut lose on Galactus before The other Vishanti appeared and stopped the fight. The samething would've happen if Galactus goes into Shuma-Groth relam.
I think a lot of people underestimate Shuma. He only lost to crom because he is severely weakened by universal rules upon entering an unconquered dimension. But even so unlike Dormammu or Mephisto he has conquered thousands of dimensions where they have struggled at times just to hold one. Dr. Strange amped to hell and back was nearly destroyed just entering the realm of Shuma-Gorath. coming from a man who has tooled a backed inbetweener with contemptuous ease thats saying a lot. It also took THE single greatest black magic spell Strange had ever used which essentially made him Shuma-Gorath on top of the amps that he already had. A power like that would in theory allow him to challenge anyone similar to protege's power of making you as powerful as your opponent +your own strengths.
Also aforementioned Galactus kryptonite is basically magic which he looks down on. I always found this a bit strange considering that Galactus is the amalgation of Galan and the previous eternity and Eternity is considered to be the ultimate mystic force for the universe.
I know that but the retcon is relatively recent and for a good chunk of Galactus's history the fact was that he was an inherintly mystic entity. Also eternity is still no joke in mystic terms.
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Apr 6th, 2006 04:21 AM
are talikng about. Agamotto is one of the most powerfu/oldest magical beings in the universe. Agamotto was about to cut lose on Galactus before The other Vishanti appeared and stopped the fight. The samething would've happen if Galactus goes into Shuma-Groth relam.
