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HOM Wanda vs Sentry

apart from some of the idiocy, i've actually learned a couple interesting things about sentry of late. separating the BS from the fact is...not easy.

anyway, NO MORE SENTRY...? confused


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Re: HOM Wanda vs Sentry

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anyway, NO MORE SENTRY...? confused


It's actually interesting.

Scarlet Witch did affect the Sentry with her power. He was in a reality, where he was just a regular guy, who had a son. So a good life for him, one would assume... but he was still seeing a therapist, because he was still dealing with the Void.

So if you want to really, really, really make a case for the Sentry... you could say, that his mind was still fighting against the new reality created by HOM Scarlet Witch. His inner demons were still pushing through.
And that was before he himself had realized what he was actually capable of. So it MAY be a toss up, if HOM Scarlet Witch could affect current Sentry for good with her reality warp. And then there is always the insane speed difference and the danger of her ending like Morgan le Fay, who got her head ripped off by him, before she could react.

But I would personally say, that "no more Sentry" should do the trick most of the time.

Right now I'm interesting in the upcoming Thanos issue, where Thanos attacks Earth, while Sentry is one of the heroes, who fight back.
Seeing how pretty much all other Avengers died and actually got eaten by Hulk (in the most recent Thanos issue), I'm curious if Sentry will somehow get beaten as well on panel / treated like an unimportant extra, or if we will see more there. Since Donny Cates likes the Sentry and has him in the Doctor Strange book as well... and now has him on at least one panel in a Thanos comic... I'm really curious where this will go.

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Yeah, where did he appear?


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Re: HOM Wanda vs Sentry

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apart from some of the idiocy, i've actually learned a couple interesting things about sentry of late. separating the BS from the fact is...not easy.

anyway, NO MORE SENTRY...? confused


On the other hand, did he not mindwipe her (I know it wasn't HoM, but iirc, her to resistance didn't go up) along with everyone else?


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Yeah, where did he appear?


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I thought u meant he was in Thanos book


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I thought u meant he was in Thanos book


Oh. Yeah, he was in the preview for Thanos #16, which will come out on the 28th of February:

https://i.imgur.com/TJIZlYf.jpg

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That series is a Thanos fans wet dream.


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That series is a Thanos fans wet dream.


Thinking about jumping on the bandwagon bro? I know you want to. shifty


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Sentry rips her in half.


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I'm going with Wanda. I've always felt it would take some powerful mystic to down Bob for good.


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Oh. Yeah, he was in the preview for Thanos #16, which will come out on the 28th of February:

https://i.imgur.com/TJIZlYf.jpg



interesting....i wouldnt put much stock in it . the thanos wank is strong


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Thinking about jumping on the bandwagon bro? I know you want to. shifty


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Current Sentry ? He wins.

It's not the Sentry whom was unaware of his powers during the House of M and therefore couldn't counter Wanda powers.

Tony Stark confirmed that Sentry can start an House of M event on a whim.

Yeah, casually.


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Current Sentry ? He wins. Yeah, casually.


I am now going to ask you a couple of questions and I want you to answer every single one:

1. Why is it that power statements only count for the Sentry, but no one else?
Hulk has been stated to be the strongest being on Earth, but I would assume that in your mind that statement is inconsistent writing and the Sentry is stronger.

2. Why is it that omnipotence statements only count for the Sentry, but no one else?
Sentry has been stated to be omnipotent, but so has Odin. We know for a fact, that Odin isn't omnipotent. If you're omnipotent, you don't need to sleep every other day in order to restore your force power. And someone omnipotent would sure as hell not be vulnerable in such a state.

3. Why do you put so much emphasis on one half of the statements about the Molecule Man, but completely ignore the other half?
You have often talked about the statements, where Molecule Mans power is said to be all about organic and inorganic molecules and that all of it depends on his mental state. In your opinion that's the difference between a powered and depowered Molecule Man. But we also had statements, where it was said, that his overall power level is more manageable, when his mental state wavers. That has been named as the reason why SHIELD was able to capture him and put him into the Raft prison.

4. Why do you ignore the established fact, that during Dark Avengers Molecule Man was clearly not right in his head?
Molecule Man tried to hide from everyone and created a bunch of illusions to have company and guidance. He was clearly not completely sane. And with Bendis establishing that in such a state he was overall less powerful... Shouldn't it be telling? Why do you ignore that?

5. Why do positive power retcons apply for the Sentry, but negative power retcons don't apply for the Molecule Man?
Bendis had clearly established, that Sentrys power was based on molecule manipulation. But Bendis had also established, that Molecule Man was weaker during a weak mental state. Not just that his mental state affected his ability to affect organic molecules... No, according to Bendis he got weaker overall.

6. Why do you obsessively praise an outliner feat for the Sentry, but ignore outliner feats for other characters?
Or do you think that Spider-Man is a above high heralds, because he was able to beat Firelord into a pulp? Do you think that Captain Americas peak human son is above high heralds, because he was able to hurt Thor with a regular kick? Do you think that Squirrel Girl is above Doctor Doom and Thanos, because she was able to "beat" them?

7. Why isn't Sentry backing up that multiversal power you're constantly talking about?
When we talk about the ultimate power in comics, we talk about characters like the Beyonder. The energy the Beyonder expends to raise his eyebrows destroys galaxies. If Sentry wields such power, then why does he need to energy-punch a moon in order to destroy it? Why not just yawn and destroy half a solar system in process?

8. Why do you think that the Sentry has mastered his power?
Sometimes you come up with the weirdest statements like that the Sentry would transmute someone into candy and eat them. What? Sentry usually flies, punches and shoots laser beams out of his eyes. He resurrected his wife without realizing how he did it. If he had mastered his abilities, why didn't he resurrect her again? Even without having her corpse near him? If he is such an insanely powerful molecule manipulator, why not just wishing her into existence out of nothing (air molecules)?

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HOM Wanda, easy


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Originally posted by Enzeru
I am now going to ask you a couple of questions and I want you to answer every single one:

1. Why is it that power statements only count for the Sentry, but no one else?
Hulk has been stated to be the strongest being on Earth, but I would assume that in your mind that statement is inconsistent writing and the Sentry is stronger.

2. Why is it that omnipotence statements only count for the Sentry, but no one else?
Sentry has been stated to be omnipotent, but so has Odin. We know for a fact, that Odin isn't omnipotent. If you're omnipotent, you don't need to sleep every other day in order to restore your force power. And someone omnipotent would sure as hell not be vulnerable in such a state.

3. Why do you put so much emphasis on one half of the statements about the Molecule Man, but completely ignore the other half?
You have often talked about the statements, where Molecule Mans power is said to be all about organic and inorganic molecules and that all of it depends on his mental state. In your opinion that's the difference between a powered and depowered Molecule Man. But we also had statements, where it was said, that his overall power level is more manageable, when his mental state wavers. That has been named as the reason why SHIELD was able to capture him and put him into the Raft prison.

4. Why do you ignore the established fact, that during Dark Avengers Molecule Man was clearly not right in his head?
Molecule Man tried to hide from everyone and created a bunch of illusions to have company and guidance. He was clearly not completely sane. And with Bendis establishing that in such a state he was overall less powerful... Shouldn't it be telling? Why do you ignore that?

5. Why do positive power retcons apply for the Sentry, but negative power retcons don't apply for the Molecule Man?
Bendis had clearly established, that Sentrys power was based on molecule manipulation. But Bendis had also established, that Molecule Man was weaker during a weak mental state. Not just that his mental state affected his ability to affect organic molecules... No, according to Bendis he got weaker overall.

6. Why do you obsessively praise an outliner feat for the Sentry, but ignore outliner feats for other characters?
Or do you think that Spider-Man is a above high heralds, because he was able to beat Firelord into a pulp? Do you think that Captain Americas peak human son is above high heralds, because he was able to hurt Thor with a regular kick? Do you think that Squirrel Girl is above Doctor Doom and Thanos, because she was able to "beat" them?

7. Why isn't Sentry backing up that multiversal power you're constantly talking about?
When we talk about the ultimate power in comics, we talk about characters like the Beyonder. The energy the Beyonder expends to raise his eyebrows destroys galaxies. If Sentry wields such power, then why does he need to energy-punch a moon in order to destroy it? Why not just yawn and destroy half a solar system in process?

8. Why do you think that the Sentry has mastered his power?
Sometimes you come up with the weirdest statements like that the Sentry would transmute someone into candy and eat them. What? Sentry usually flies, punches and shoots laser beams out of his eyes. He resurrected his wife without realizing how he did it. If he had mastered his abilities, why didn't he resurrect her again? Even without having her corpse near him? If he is such an insanely powerful molecule manipulator, why not just wishing her into existence out of nothing (air molecules)?


You are supposedly asking me questions and making-up your own answers...

You should question your own mental health.

That's probably not brilliant.

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I am now going to ask you a couple of questions and I want you to answer every single one:

1. Why is it that power statements only count for the Sentry, but no one else?
Hulk has been stated to be the strongest being on Earth, but I would assume that in your mind that statement is inconsistent writing and the Sentry is stronger.

2. Why is it that omnipotence statements only count for the Sentry, but no one else?
Sentry has been stated to be omnipotent, but so has Odin. We know for a fact, that Odin isn't omnipotent. If you're omnipotent, you don't need to sleep every other day in order to restore your force power. And someone omnipotent would sure as hell not be vulnerable in such a state.

3. Why do you put so much emphasis on one half of the statements about the Molecule Man, but completely ignore the other half?
You have often talked about the statements, where Molecule Mans power is said to be all about organic and inorganic molecules and that all of it depends on his mental state. In your opinion that's the difference between a powered and depowered Molecule Man. But we also had statements, where it was said, that his overall power level is more manageable, when his mental state wavers. That has been named as the reason why SHIELD was able to capture him and put him into the Raft prison.

4. Why do you ignore the established fact, that during Dark Avengers Molecule Man was clearly not right in his head?
Molecule Man tried to hide from everyone and created a bunch of illusions to have company and guidance. He was clearly not completely sane. And with Bendis establishing that in such a state he was overall less powerful... Shouldn't it be telling? Why do you ignore that?

5. Why do positive power retcons apply for the Sentry, but negative power retcons don't apply for the Molecule Man?
Bendis had clearly established, that Sentrys power was based on molecule manipulation. But Bendis had also established, that Molecule Man was weaker during a weak mental state. Not just that his mental state affected his ability to affect organic molecules... No, according to Bendis he got weaker overall.

6. Why do you obsessively praise an outliner feat for the Sentry, but ignore outliner feats for other characters?
Or do you think that Spider-Man is a above high heralds, because he was able to beat Firelord into a pulp? Do you think that Captain Americas peak human son is above high heralds, because he was able to hurt Thor with a regular kick? Do you think that Squirrel Girl is above Doctor Doom and Thanos, because she was able to "beat" them?

7. Why isn't Sentry backing up that multiversal power you're constantly talking about?
When we talk about the ultimate power in comics, we talk about characters like the Beyonder. The energy the Beyonder expends to raise his eyebrows destroys galaxies. If Sentry wields such power, then why does he need to energy-punch a moon in order to destroy it? Why not just yawn and destroy half a solar system in process?

8. Why do you think that the Sentry has mastered his power?
Sometimes you come up with the weirdest statements like that the Sentry would transmute someone into candy and eat them. What? Sentry usually flies, punches and shoots laser beams out of his eyes. He resurrected his wife without realizing how he did it. If he had mastered his abilities, why didn't he resurrect her again? Even without having her corpse near him? If he is such an insanely powerful molecule manipulator, why not just wishing her into existence out of nothing (air molecules)?

Beautiful laughing mfao!!!

But yeah, no more Sentry sounds right, despite DS’s post about a non HoM Wanda.


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Beautiful laughing mfao!!!

But yeah, no more Sentry sounds right, despite DS’s post about a non HoM Wanda.


I'm not surprised you find his post full of bullshit as a correct answer.

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