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Originally posted by zopzop
Any version of Beyonder wins (yes even the crippled Maker version).

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Originally posted by zopzop
Any version of Beyonder wins (yes even the crippled Maker version).

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Originally posted by operator616
Doom admitted that Wanda's power source dwarfed Beyonder's power when he usurped her power, for what it's worth. But yeah, in a battle Beyonder wins every time. Except the maker version.

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Originally posted by operator616
Avengers: The Children's Crusade #8.

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Originally posted by One Big Mob
Let me take a stab in the dark and guess this leads to Sentry > HoM Wanda > Beyonder?

And that's why Molecule Man can't win

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Originally posted by operator616
Doom admitted that Wanda's power source dwarfed Beyonder's power when he usurped her power, for what it's worth. But yeah, in a battle Beyonder wins every time. Except the maker version.

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Originally posted by backup
But Doom did reference to Beyonder's of Secret Wars II? Really don't believe that Wanda had more power, could be a retcon or something.

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Originally posted by RealityWarper
Stark said that Sentry can create a new House of M on a whim.

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Originally posted by operator616
SW I, you mean. Because that's where Doom usurped Beyonder's power.

And yes, he was definitely referencing that because that's the only time he had the beyonder's power. SW itself is still very much in continuity and will never be retconned away for that matter (because of off-topic reasons). The events themselves of SW I and II are still very much intact, what's not is beyonder's power levels and origins; since then he's been retconned into a cosmic cube and mutant inhuman (though some controversy surrounds this). So basically, life force > post-retcon Beyonder in terms of raw power, according to Doom.



So can Wonder man's power if you don't read those statements in context as opposed to make-believe scenarios.

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Originally posted by RealityWarper
Where is that said about Wonder man ?

About Sentry that's a fact.

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Originally posted by operator616
Oh it's not just said. It's actually shown how Wanda, using Simon as a power source (as a replacement for the life force), performed the "mutant rapture". Which was specifically stated to be an HoM like event. It was the main plot for the majority of Remender's UA.

You must understand that when people refer to the HoM event they don't mean the major reality warping shenanigans and chaos waves. They don't mean that the sentry can unleash a chaos wave upon the omniverse and restore it with a single sentence, which is really the highlight of Wanda's feat for us battle board nerds. No, from an in-universe perspective the highlight of House of M was the depowerment of mutants. that's what people refer to when saying sentry can do something similar. Mind you, i don't think sentry can do even that but the point is it's still a far cry from Wanda's true feat.

You'd have to have an actual cosmic being like the LT or Eternity saying this about the sentry instead of Stark or Ms. Marvel for it to be of any sort of significance. And by that i mean to even begin to entertain the idea.

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Originally posted by Inedian
Pre-R Beyonder wins. HoM Wanda was outstanding though.

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Originally posted by operator616
Oh it's not just said. It's actually shown how Wanda, using Simon as a power source (as a replacement for the life force), performed the "mutant rapture". Which was specifically stated to be an HoM like event. It was the main plot for the majority of Remender's UA.

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Originally posted by zopzop
So Wanda + Simon = Wanda + Lifeforce power wise?

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Originally posted by operator616
No. I was making a point in what context "house of m event" is being used from an in-universe perspective.

The mutant rapture (which was likened to an HoM event and stated to require a similar power level even) consisted of summoning the mutants, putting them to sleep and get them to Jupiter where they can use their abilities free from human oppression.