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Originally posted by ODG
^ Does this include Pre-Crisis schlock?

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Originally posted by ODG
^ Ok. Makes the conversation more interesting. But then when it comes to the raw physical stats like strength, speed, etc. are we limiting it to popular characters? Or are the respective Abstracts in play also?

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Originally posted by MrMind
all characters in play i guess?

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Originally posted by ODG
Beyond outliers like the Speedforce concept, then this is just the Presence/Great Darkness vs. ToAA/ToBA then.

I'll pass.

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Originally posted by carver9
Strength - Marvel
Speed - DC
Magic - DC
Reality Warping - Marvel
Telepathy - Marvel
Versatility - Marvel
Tech - Marvel
Durability - DC
Energy Projection - split
Fighting skills - Marvel

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, the Lords of Order and Chaos casually mentioning there are like 50ish beings who can casually warp reality was..... something.

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Originally posted by MrMind
it's more of on average portrayal, from individual perspective

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Originally posted by ODG
That sounds like the same as limiting it to more popular characters and not random Abstracts then.

Strength - tie
Speed - DC, by far w/ Speedforce
Magic - Marvel, slightly
Reality Warping - tie
Telepathy - Marvel, slightly
Versatility - tie
Tech - DC, by far w/ Miracle Machine
Durability - tie
Energy Projection - tie
Fighting skills - tie

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Originally posted by MrMind
how is marvel beating dc in magic

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Originally posted by playa1258
Fighting skills-DC

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Actually, I've done it numerous times.

Marvel has larger, more diverse street level rooster than DC does, with a longer history and more prestige. Maybe "more prestige" isn't exactly right, but Marvel has managed to keep the entirety their character's history intact since their inception. Sure they have isolated retcons from time to time, but even before the Nu52-boot DC had decades worth of continuity that simply didn't happen. Hundreds, thousands appearances of characters that no longer mattered.

Street level characters in Marvel get more play than they do in DC; and those characters have more appearances than their DC counter parts do. Lets take a look at the numbers. These are from comicvine, they include a bunch of trades, and foreign language reprints in their numbering, so they aren't 100% accurate but close enough for our purposes.

Marvel Street Level Appearances:

Spider-man: 9675
Wolverine: 9789
Captain America: 6870
Daredevil: 2889
Black Panther: 1565
Deadpool 1248
Punisher: 1778
Iron Fist: 1381
Hawkeye: 2903
Winter Soldier: 1306
Black Widow: 1970
Elektra: 661
Nick Fury: 2837
Shang-Chi: 477
Moon Knight: 763
Gambit: 2936
Psylock: 2687

Total: 51735

DC Street Level Appearances:

Batman: 10097
Catwoman: 1339
Nightwing: 4322
Tim Drake: 1818
Jason Todd: 510
Lady Shiva: 141
Cassandra Cain: 347
Green Arrow: 2267
Barbra Gordon: 1723
Deathstroke: 621
Black Canary: 1882
Katana: 412
Huntress: 632
Arsenal: 1274
Wildcat: 894
Bronze Tiger: 192
Richard Dragon: 67

Total: 28538

That's a pretty significant difference between the two, and I was being generous to DC with some of those character inclusions. I left some notable Marvels off the list and I could start adding freaking White Tiger, The Daughters of the Dragon or Mockingbird based on the fame and quality of some of those DC "namesakes". Again - the Marvel characters don't have their continuity segmented by various large scale reboots. Ignoring alt realities and what ifs, all of those appearances for the Marvel characters still matter. The dearth of comic time DC streets get compared to their Marvel counter parts is big reason why DC streets don't stack up to Marvels... but it isn't the biggest.

The majority of Marvel's streets are super powered in some manner or another and their feats reflect that when compared side by side to their DC counter parts. Each character is also given the opportunity to shine independent of one another. No writer is worrying how what Captain America does might reflect on Punisher, or how Daredevil relates to Shang-Chi they are there own characters, their on franchises with no intrinsic tie to one another for the most part. In DC 90% of streets are part of the Batfamily.

DC's streets largely consists of Batman and a bunch Batman underlings and side characters. He is the anchor and focal point of the DC street level scene and ever other character is shackled to him in how they operate and what sort of feats the can accomplish. A Batman-governor regulating everyone's abilities, keeping everyone in line so the poster boy looks good. Marvel doesn't have that, and if it did, it would be Spider-man... which is obviously a much higher bar to work under.

Marvel's streets have more feats. They have better feats. Why? Because they have more appearances. More of their appearances are in continuity. The majoirty of them have superhuman abilities and physical attributes that allows them to operate on a higher level than the characters in DC do.

DC is the Batman show. In Marvel characters are allowed to exist on their own merit, and they do. It's all pretty elementary. Stronger, Faster, More skilled characters with more appearances. I mean... do the math.

People want to pretend that there is some sort of parity between the two companies on every level. There isn't. Why would there be? They have different goals and are run very differently. Marvel's street level roster, is deeper, more diverse, more powerful and most of all marketed more. That's not a bias, THAT'S AN OBJECTIVE FACT that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who even the SLIGHTEST interest in the comic medium. Why would DC streets be the equal of Marvels? It's mathematically improbable and - clearly - categorically untrue. Marvel publishes more street level comics than DC does, featuring more characters than DC does, those characters are more powerful than DC's characters are, and their character's histories are rebooted every two decades. I f@cking wonder, which company has the stronger street level characters? Who could it be? What a f@cking mystery!

Jesus Christ.

Feel free to try and rebut anything I've said.