Can the combined might of the JLA and JSA take on Xmen/Xforce/Xfactor/Excalibur?
Here is the X roster:
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Emma Frost
Colossus
Rogue
Beast
Forge
Storm
Warpath
Northstar
Cable
Polaris
Magma
Iceman
Gambit
Wolverine
Captain Britain(with Excalibur and Amulet of right)
Meggan
Archangel
Banshee
Nightcrawler
Professor X
Havok
Bishop
Random
Shadowcat
Dazzler
Cannonball
Sunfire
Strong Guy
Shatterstar
Psylocke
Chamber
Jubilee
Longshot
Marrow
VS.
Current JLA & JSA(NOT PRE-CRISIS):
Superman
Flash
Batman
Wonder Woman
Firestorm
Aqua man
Green Lantern(Kyle)
Steel
Martian Manhunter
Shazam
Powergirl
Sentinel
Obsidian
Jakeem Thunder
Star Spangled Kid
Black Canary
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Mr. Terrific
Faith(Telepath, not Dr. Fayt)
Scenario: JLA and The JSA have been commissioned by the government to hunt and capture down mutants. Batman learns that the Charles Xavier Institute is really a school for mutants. He does his research on the five founding members of the Xmen, Professor x, and few xmen members, Colossus, Kitty Pryde(Shadowcat), and Nightcrawler.
He gathers members of the JLA and the JSA as back up and storm the place, deep into the mansion via Superman digging an underground tunnel, they pop out in the hangar bypassing most of the institute's security. As soon as they hit the hangar, little do they know, they stormed the place during a mutant gathering, a reunion of sorts of Xavier's current and former students. There Professor X is giving a speech on how the war with humans can be avoided to his xmen and the other mutants Charles has helped along the way. The battle starts in the hanger.
Why are the rosters so lopsided, is because even though it's post crisis, the JLA and JSA are uber powerful. Base line DC heroes are a bit more powerful than their marvel counterparts which are steeped in a little more realism. Well other than that, let the battle begin.
Nightcrawler teleports Charles to Cerebro and he brain f*cks all of the human members of the JLA. I know Flash and Supes are fast, but if they are in the hangar, getting to Cerebro would take a little time considering they'd be fighting in a room full of telepaths, optic blasts, lightning, lava and plasma blasts, so they might not even know where they were going or that they had left. That could drop at least half of the JLA team and give the X Legion a shot, but they'd still have Supes, MM, and the Hawk people (Man/Girl) to deal with. They have enough psionic firepower to pull something out due to Longshot's probability/luck powers. If he can effect Manhunter and/or Supes into having a brain fart that makes them vulnerable (like Supes biomatrix short circuits and reduces him to Clark Kent or Manhunter phases himself into a wall by accident and incapacitates himself).
Luck is basically all the X-Men have, but considering they have a teammate that controls luck, it could be enough, but I highly doubt it.
I'd have to take the JLA, but the X-Men do have a homecourt advantage and a lot of psionic firepower, so it's not completely onesided. They could work something out.
Please, give Flash a knife and he takes out all the X-Men before they can blink. (Literally) Getting to Cerebro would take like haf a second to him. On ther other hand, can't Northstar move potentially 99% of lightspeed?
if xavier gets to cerebro then I think the x-men might win. this fight would be good though considering that flash wouldn't know where to go it mihgt take him a few seconds to get to xavier but like ill said nightcrawler said nightcrawler can port him to creebro. flash prolly won't know how to get into creebro.
all nihgtcrawler has do is think about it and it happens- flash doesn't know where he is going so by the time he can even get to them they are gone. it would take flash a long time to get through the cerebro doors.
Flash and Supes tip the balance - if Bats has told them who the powerful Psykers are, then they can be taken out in a nanosecond.
It'd be a fun rumble to watch, but I think the DC powerhouses can face down anything that the XMen throw at them - remember Gladiator? It took Phoenix to smack him down when the XMen first met him.
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Well, when you consider that Supes drills through the ground into the hangar to begin this confrontation, that does give the X team a moment to react because they will see/hear the JLA coming. Sentry specified that Batman knew of Charles, the original X team (Beast, Cyclops, Angel, Iceman, Jean), Colossus, Kitty, and Nightcrawler. The rest of the mutants in the room and their abilities are a mystery to the JLA, and he didn't specify that the JLA knew the layout of the Mansion or the lower levels, only that it was a school for mutants. Once Supes bursts through the ground, Kurt and Charles would be gone (protecting Charles is always a top priority), and every mutant in the room is going to go postal. Who's to say Magma wouldn't just fill the hole Supes just created with lava before the slower JLA members could exit, the JLA don't even know she's there or what she could do. That would leave Flash, Supes, and MM against a bunch of pissed of mutants with a wide array of attacks and a teammate that controls probabilities. I'd take the JLA, but it's not 100%. Not even 60%.
"all nihgtcrawler has do is think about it and it happens- flash doesn't know where he is going so by the time he can even get to them they are gone. it would take flash a long time to get through the cerebro doors."
No, I don't care if you like the X-Men as if they were family, they aren't going to win this fight. Stop polishing them.
"Supes can drill through the ground before the sound that comes from it reaches the X-Men's ears."
That would be the case if Wolverine wasn't in the room. He has heightened bestial senses. He'd sense the tremors the way a dog or cat senses an earthquake or tsunami before it hits. Not to mention their scents.
No Phoenix? No Nathan Summers? No Racheal Summers? No Juggernaut? The X-Men are screwed.
The biggest factors on the X-Men team are:
Jean Grey, Emma Frost, Psylocke Nate Grey, and Professor X are some of the strongest telepaths on earth. All of these guys against Martian Manhunter is quite a mismatcth. No pun intended. Chamber's telekinetic blasts are strong enough to shatter steel, and he's a great telepath as well. He's one more telepathic threat.
Strong Guy can take any punches given by Superman, The Flash, Wonder Woman, or anyone else, and add it to his own strength. Though he apparently has his limits, attacking him physically would be a mistake.
Bishop can absorb any form of energy, (such as kinetic energy, heat energy, or psionic energy) without harm to himself. He can drain the kinetic energy from a punch, or even a bullet upon contact with his skin. He can only do this while conscious, and if he is aware of the attack. He has no known limits to the amount of energy he can absorb; he once absorbed a blast of Onslaught's energy that would have annihilated the X-Men.
Nightcrawler can teleport instantaneously. Nightcrawler has been seen to knock out a group of foes within a fraction of a second. Nightcrawler has also displayed the ability to teleport all or part of an object, (once for instance, he removed Deadpool's head.) He could kill several of the JLA members in less than a second, (if he so desired,) by removing their heads or other vital organs. Since his teleportaion is instantaneous, speed is not a problem for him. However, reflex speed is quite an obstacle, as he cannot react faster than The Flash, or Superman.
While in flight, Cannonball is virtually invincible; he's blasted through mountains unscathed. He also has the ability to redirect kinetic energy directed at him with equal amplitude.
Iceman is one of the most durable X-Men, he can transform his body inot pure ice, and reform his body from scattered water molecules.
Polaris's magnetic abilities rival Magneto's, she once reversed the magnetic polarity of the Earth while fighting Kraoka.
According to some, (though I cannot attest to this claim,) Colossus has exceeded his 100 ton weight limit, and is nearly indestuctable. Go figure, I though his max was 100 tons with Superhuman durability.
The X-Team's best chance of beating the JLA is through telepathy. They'd have to attack before Thunder or Firestorm have a chance to attack. A few punches from Flash won't be enough to defeat Cable, one of the X-Men's most durable telepaths, and he could take out Flash telepathically. The best strategy for the X-Men to use would be telepathic attack. But really, though the JLA lack numbers, theY outgun the X-Team with powerhouses such as Firestorm, Obsidian, Green Lanturn, and Thunder. Without any cosmic powers such as the Phoenix Force at their disposal, this is a victory (though not an easy one) for the JLA.
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I think the X-men are a very psi-heavy team. That's where all their power comes from. Their biggest weakness is durability. Most of them are just humans with great offensive powers. But they can get tired, they can be knocked out with very little force. In other words, they have no room for error. The JLA, on the other hand, have MULTIPLE members who are invulnerable. They can take A LOT of punishment. So not only will the X-men have to outgun the JLA, they'll have to outdefend them, too.
While I can see reasonable scenarios where the X-men win, JLA takes 7/10.
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