Beyonder was everything there was inside and ouside the Multiverse.
Basicly he was everything in the Omniverse.
So the chaos wave would be a part of him as well.
He could simply neutralize it.
. . . Power of the writers, he can't be beaten, (if he don't want to) he can only be stalemated by other beings with the power of the writers.
TOAA for example.
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I know what Beyonder was.
And there was no Omni-verse in the Pre-retcon era, there was only a Multi-verse and the Beyond Realm.
TOAA Expanded his Multi-verse, into the Omniverse way AFTER Beyonder was Ret-conned.
The Omni-verse is an INFINITE number of Multi-verses, (even MORE than Millions of Multi-verses, MORE than Billions of Multi-verses, INFINITE.)
Beyonder was Millions of times more powerful than ONE Multi-verse.
Beyonder CREATED an INFINITE Universe.
You know I think Beyonder's the man, but TOAA did more On Panel than he did.
The power of the writers? Don't they all have that?
On Panel feats is really all that matters to me.
I don't think so,
the Chaos Wave could not be stopped by any Power, the Omni-verse as a whole contains it. (sort of like Omni-Eternity, I don't know what its called, but I know the Omni-verse is ALIVE, that may have been TOAA)
It threatened to Destroy EVERYTHING that is Marvel, even possibly TOAA.
The FULL Power of the BEYOND, (Beyonders) was UNABLE to stop it.
That's not really a solid debate though, just saying he had the power of the writers, is not reasoning a discussion or argument in a hypothetical VS Thread, the point of this Part of the Forum is to compare their On Panel Feats, then based on indisputable facts make a logical decision of who would win.
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What do you mean by "Power of the Writers". Everything that happens in comics can be considered "Power of the Writers", so this doesnt make much sense.
Omniverse means "all universes".
The universes were infinity and the sum of the infinite universes made up a Multi-verse.
The Beyond-realm, was infinity compared to a infinite universe.
But it's impossible to prove that:
the Multi-verse and the Beyond-realm was lesser than the Omniverse is today.
The universes has allways been infinite.
There isnt a single post in all of Marvel comics that say that a universe isnt.
[If you not take the one where they say that a universe is finite compared to a Multiverse]
Because he put limitations on himself?
Stan Lee said that the Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers had over the comics.
It wouldent matter if Beyonder was in a Multi-verse or todays Omniverse.
The writer can manipulate it at free will.
I don't think so,
Obviously the wrtier could have stoped it.
Shatter the entire time-stream would be a higher feat.
Since it unmakes time itself.
There would never even exist a year in the comics.
If Wanda destroyed it, it would be at least be a dawn time (and end-) of time.
Beyonder wouldent even leave time.
The Beyonders (Post) is a lot, and I mean a lot weaker than the Pre-retconed version.
I see it like this:
Beyonder was then what TOAA is now.
Stan Lee stated in an interview that:
Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers have over the comics.
Therefore he got no real limits, if you overlook the fact that he limited himself.
Beyond the Cosmic Vortex lies "the Ascention"....the last frontier, GOD, TOAA.
The Chaos Wave was possibly able to take even that out.
If the breach is not sealed, "the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the ASCENTION itself" (please log in to view the image)
The Beyond Realm was an Infinite Universe even before Beyonder stepped into the Marvel Multi-verse. Beyonder was an Infinite Universe before Secret Wars and after too.
Well because the Beyond Realm was an Infinite Universe, and the Multi-verse whether it was infinite or not is inconsequential, because it was just ONE Multi-verse,
While NOW, TOAA has an INFINITE number of Multi-verses and EACH one is INFINITE too.
A Multi-verse = an INFINITE number of Universes.
The Omni-verse = an INFINITE number of Multi-verses.
Not by that point.
Right before that sscene Beyonder becomes COMPLETELY HUMAN.
Not to mention that after this series of pannels Beyonder was so astonished with all of those new sensations that he had to "try it again". So then he turned back into a human (for the 2nd time), and at this point Mephisto and his demons showed up and almost killed the Beyonder (they were nearly successful).
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Are you claiming that Wanda could "possibly" take out the wrtiers . . . ?
The beyond realm was the source of Beyonder's power.
It alone was more powerful than the Multi-verse.
That explains why he alone is.
Each universe was infinite.
It have allways been.
It's just that the beyond realm which no longer exists, was many times greater than the Multi-verse.
In the DC vs Marvel issue #1.
They say that the supreme beings are the total sum of their respective Multi-verse.
Verse = Reality
Uni = One
Multi = More than one
Omni = All
You can as well use the term Multi-verse to describe the Omniverse.
He does not have his true power within him.
It lies in the beyond realm.
It's like an bank account with infinity cash.
And he take out a little bit at a time.
That's the point.
Your point being?
You know that the Heart made Thanos one with Omnireality.
He had the power of the supreme being (writer)
He could easiley replace CB w/ Excalibur and AoR.
The wrtiers are allways above.
What are you talking about? -- Post retcon Beyonders is incomplete cosmic cubes.
The whole occation: SW -- Was appearently only happening in Beyonder's imagination.
But both have been stated to have the power of the writers.
"Minute bits of of their Energy" from the Beyonders, created Post-retcon Molecule Man & Post-retcon Beyonder. (please log in to view the image)
The Beyonders, with a TINY Bit of their Energy, empower Cosmic Containment Units that can MAKE you a Universe, make you God, give you the Power to collapse a Multi-verse.
Not exactly, it wasn't ALL in his imagination, some Feats were but not all.
His Level of Power during the Ret-con was complete control of a Universe smaller than Eternity.
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