Ok, this would go along with the theory that somewhere down the line, Jack was once in a similar situation that Will is currently in now. That Jack was at one time, the upstanding lover of Tia Dalma. But her love was only temporary, for she was truly in love with Davy Jones, the great sea captain. Hence her anger in his ripping out his heart.
To continue with the story, it is now Jack who could, arguably be seen in the same position as Davy Jones. He's the great Captain who fell quietly in love with a woman who's heart was somewhat fickle. And, subsequently, it adds drama to the idea that in the rough draft script, it is Jack who greatly desires to stab the heart:
JACK SPARROW (CONTD)
I think I will stab the heart.
(Will is surprised)
I've been dead, and I dont want to go back. To live forever, and see everything there is to see - - maybe twice - - who wouldnt want that?
Will pulls his sword from the hull, joins jack looking out to sea.
JACK SPARROW (CONTD)
This life we have is cruel, Will, it mocks us were granted just a taste, if were lucky, and then its ripped away. I've been on the path to the Land of the Dead. I've been there and I've done that, I don't care do it again.
His word choice is interesting isn't it? After all, he did want to know what it tasted like with Elizabeth, didn't he?
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Although it would make sense, Jack thinking Liz may not want him. But I don't think they would do that, because I't wouldn't make sense.Wasn't Tia with Davy when she supposedly left him for someone else? I mean Tia was in love with him, then fell out of love. It would make sense if it happened to Will, Liz supposedly being in love with him. Then she realises she doesn't love him, because she is in love with someone else.
Oh I know, it doesn't entirely make sense, but that was a theory that was floating around the net for a while. Some of it makes sense, some of it doesn't. Certainly, if Jack was the other man involved in the break up of Tia/ Davy, it would be ironic for him to reverse roles entirely with Davy. A strange sort of karma....
And, though we have an idea of what happened between Tia/Davy, we don't yet know the whole story. There is only pirate lore, and that isn't always accurate.
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Jack is not the reason why Calypso left Davy..that happend centuries before Jack was born...Jack just became involved with Tia much later on.
I think he thought he wanted to be with her but she began to treat him like a mother as well as a lover..and he began to feel lower than her...and so their relationship did not work.
IMO its the same deal with Will and Elizabeth.
Jack wont be the one stabbing the heart. I know he's not.
what I find super duper interesting is how Tia shows such an interest in Will because he has that potential in him to be the next Captain..its like she loves the captain but not the current captain..she wants the new one.
and this really interests me if Jack is mirroring Davy/Calypso's relationship.
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So you are saying that what Liz feels for Jack is only temporary, and that her real love is indeed Will? Jack may be sincere with his feelings, because in the rough draft he mentions that he would stab the heart. So Jack maybe truly in love just like Davy Jones was. But Tia was or wasn't in love with Davy, that's the part I don't understand.
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nope I'm not saying that.
because Tia isnt interested in Jack anymore remember she's interested in Will...who is going to be like her old love she ran away from(Davy)..but new at the same time
Its hard to explain..to me it just suggests that Elizabeth is going to go with Jack. Jack has died and is going to come back different.
Just like Tia's Davy dies and comes back again in the form of a new man.
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Ok I just had another dumb moment.
Now I understand, Jack not being the reason of Calypso/Davy breakup.
Calypso is trapped In Tia's body. So yes W/E might be mirroring what happened between J/T. That would make sense. And Tia's interest in Will is undeniable, maybe Calypso sees in Will the match that she has been always looking for. But who or what was the reason Tia left Davy? Maybe there wasn't anyone else. Maybe she fell out of love because Davy wasn't true love and what she really wanted. She probably found those qualities she was looking for in Will.
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My theory is this:
Tia and Jack didnt work out because they were lovers but she is far more superior to him because she is a goddess, she's like a mother to him. He is not her equal so he leaves her.
Calypso actually left her equal (Davy) I'm not sure why though..(Elizabeths behaviour towards Jack in DMC may be a clue?)
Elizabeth and Will wont work out because they are lovers but Elizabeth is far more superior to him she's like a mother to him. Will is not her equal so he will leave her.
Elizabeth actually is rejecting HER equal in DMC(jack)
Tia seems to like the thought of Will becoming her new equal (immortal captain)
Elizabeth may fall in love with Jack because he's going to come back from the dead, different and better suited to her.
just depends how long it takes for her to realise the difference in Jack.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Oct 15th, 2006 at 07:33 PM
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ok, yea that actually makes a lot of sense. But I think Liz realises that Jack is her equal, but she may be denying it because she may think it would hurt Will's feelings.
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Actually i do think that it was centuries before because that church on the island was a ruin..I think thats where Davy was supposed to marry Calypso.
EDIT - I'm wondering if Liz is so concentrated on Will that she has no idea just how much she is hurting Jack. I'm not sure she realises how much Jack loves her you know.
they made a point in that scene on the pearl where she doesnt see jack's hurt face when she cold shoulders him. (awe draft script)
Last edited by LovelyOne on Oct 15th, 2006 at 07:54 PM
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Yea you mean the ruins where the 3 of them were fighting?. That pretty much looked like a church. Wow thanks lovelyone I never noticed that.
I think Liz is so involve in saving and protecting the fish face, that she doesn't realise how much Jack is hurting. And you know whats also curious about that part in the rough draft? Is that when Jack leaves the cabin, she sits on the chair that Jack was previously sitting on and mouths Will. That part seems interesting because it appeared to be that she has realize her true feeling for Jack, obviously Jack is what is on her mind. But is forcing herself to think of Will. Why would you mouth someones name if you are supposedly already thinking of that person. Is like she was forcing herself to think of Will.
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EXACTLY^^ She has to convince herself.
she's trying to push Jack away because she sees Will as her obligation.
I dont think Elizabeth is as cold hearted as Calypso was to Davy.
because what i notice with DMC is she leaves Jack to be with Will and then I think she gets the feeling tht Jack was going to stay for her anyway because he loves her. Then it smacks her in the face...she thinks she's just hurt someone who loves her..and she actually has feelings for him in return so it hurts her bad. All she does is run straight back to Jack at the end of DMC.
she might do a similar thing in AWE..but its going to be magnified.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Oct 15th, 2006 at 08:10 PM
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I dont want to see Jack be left by a woman and kill himself? Do you? I dont want to see him stab the heart because Elizabeth rejects him either.
no way is it going to end like that. I think Elizabeth will come around in the end I really do...this story is supposed to show us how situations like that can be avoided. Will/Liz do avoid that davy/Calypso deal but its that avoidance of the situation that creates the mother/son deal..and so the relationship just wont work IMO
..she's going to be desperate for that not to happen to Will...and she's going to hold onto him too tight and this will only push him away to new priorities. (we get a hint of it in DMC)
this is probably what happened with Jack/Tia
Elizabeth has sort of done that to Norrington too you know. Treated him like Calypso did to Davy. This is a main reason whey she doesnt want it to happen to Will because she has seen the wreck that Norri has become because of her.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Oct 15th, 2006 at 08:26 PM
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No I don't think she is as bad as calypso either, she's just being a selfish little brat. But like you said, she got smacked in the face by her actions. I hope that in AWE Jack starts cold shouldering her and starts treating her like a "proper lady", yea just ignore her. Like he says in the rough script. Right there and then she is going to realise how much Jack means to her and, she's gonna go running back to him.
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