I don't care if his defeat was total PIS....I consider many of Pheonix's defeats to be total PIS as well.
For example, when Pheonix Force was impaled by a fkn LASER ! The life force of this universe was harmed by a portion of itself ? Give me a fkn break....
All PIS aside, and I mean ALL PIS aside, Dark Pheonix wins.
Onslaught created a second sun...so what ? Pheonix is the life force that brought Galan from the last Universe to this to become Galactus. Pheonix is the embodyment of the life force in Marvel 616, the spark of creation.
Pheonix Force at its fullest power (before its been mini-retconned again and again as something weaker) is responsible for the life-giving structure of every star and world in space.
Onslaught had not performed feats which raise him above Dark Pheonix.
Isn't she still considered a mutant? And Onsalught can't be beaten by mutants. He just feeds off of them and their powers. Nate Grey is equal to Dark Phoenix and he got beat and absorbed.
Actually in the issue of Cable right before Onsalught, Moria Mctaggert scans Nate Grey and says his power output is on par with that of the Phoenix. Which considering Jean Grey is his mom is understandable.
And Phoenix is still a mutant and Onslaught cannot be killed by mutants.
No but The Phoenix takes the physical form of Jean Grey and becomes basically a clone of her and is a mutant and even has registered as one to cerebro in the past.
1) Last time I checked Jean Grey couldn't survive in the vacuum of space, travel to another galaxy in less than a few seconds, and eat a star.
Dark Pheonix itself is NOT a mutant. Get over it.
2) Even if Dark Pheonix was a mutant, she'd still smear Onslaught into red and purple feces. It's not true that mutants cannot defeat Onslaught. No where does it say that in the saga. When he was in Energy form, non-mutant bodies were required to give the energy a body, so that they can be destroyed. Since Onslaught composed of 4 mutant bodies beforehand (Prof X, Magneto, Nate Grey, Franklyn Richards), another mutant body would have not made a difference. A non-mutant body, or bodies, was needed to absorb the energy that Onslaught existed as, so that it could be destroyed in a weaker form.
That does not mean a mutant could not defeat him.
Onslaught did nothing that suggests he could defeat Dark Pheonix. HE defeating Jean Grey on the Astral plane does not prove anything. Jean Grey does not have full access to the Pheonix Force, after the DP saga, her concious link to the Pheonix had to be limitted and depleted by Professor Xavier, and she went on only using a fraction of the power of the PF.
Onslaught defeated Jean Grey on the Astral Plane, the purely psychic realm of the universe where she had to face the culmination of Xavier and Magneto's egos, to whom Jean Grey alone was no match.
When the Phoenix Force merges /w/ Jean Grey that DOES NOT make it a Mutant. Like I have already said:
Jean Grey= A Mutant, thats it.
Phoenix Force= A cosmic entity whom has no affiliations with the Mutant community unless she chooses a Mutant host. Does that make the Phoenix itself a Mutant?
In the issue of Cable right before Onsalught, Moria Mctaggert scans Nate Grey and says his power output is on par with that of the Phoenix. And Onsalught took him out.
And it's stated in Onslaught: Marvel Universe, it's stated that no mutant can defeat Onslaught which is why the Avengers and FF sacrificed themselves to do it and the X-Men had to hold back.
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