Also in the issues following that arc it was revealed he was/is still suffering from the injuries he got after the blast from Luthor in IC #7 which he is only just getting over.
In their fight in the Outsiders Nightwing clearly got the better of the close-quarter fighting and managed to pin Red Hood against the wall, at which point Jason had to pull out a gun.
Agreed. Nightwing is the much better fighter. Red hood wouldn't stand a chance. Nightwing fights down to Jason's level out of courtesy. If they fight for real, is Jason doesn't have any prep time he goes down hard.
Jason still has one figth with Batman that Grayson never replicated.
Plus, i like how its stated he helds back in one arc where Jason wasent figthing hard either, but instead would spend the matches just pissing his "older brother" up.
Can really go either way, but in a all out match, the Hood of today brings more to the table than Grayson has.
We cant either way, since he never encountered Slade. We can however compare both against Bruce.
I dont even think either is off the charts in skill with the other, they tend to even out. What i dont agree its that Grayson bringing more to the table than Jason nowadays.
Red Hood.He was holding back in Outsiders,he just wanted to talk.Plus the second fight they had Wing came up from behind and slammed Jasons head into the front of the car then got punked.He couldn't even bring down Jason on his first night as Robin....
Agility, smarts, the ability to prep off hand, the ability to improvise, mastery with weapons, figthing dirty, more combat driven, physical prowess, figthing skills.
Jason has a better range of these abilities nowadays, than Grayson does.
I can't believe you try and use that as an example of Jason being better than Dick, its ridiculous. You never show the scan of Nightwing catching Jason up after he ran off and pinning him to the floor while he steals his radio and chats to Batman, or Nightwing saving Robin as he falls off the train, you just show that one where he throws some rocks at Nightwing and runs away and act like Nightwing got owned. Nightwing was just confused as to why someone was running around dressed as Robin, Jason at that point had nothing on Nightwing. In fact if you want I'll show scans of Jason as Robin saying to himself "If they can do that to Dick Grayson what could they do to me?!" and other examples where Jason admits he isn't as good as Nightwing.
And olympian, you can't seriously be suggesting Jason has better agility than Nightwing? Nightwing is the one DC describe as the best acrobat in the world, not Red Hood. In Hush all he did was mimick Nightwing's style, it was never said he did it as well or better than Nightwing himself.
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Red Hood sucks, way to fail at having your own Winter Soldier DC .
Nightwing: Agility, Skill, Experience.. he has all of these things in much higher quantities than Jason. If Dick were to fight as ruthless as Jason acts towards him Jase would get pwned, he wouldn't even need to draw a gun either.
Nightwing mops the floor with Red Hood like his spoiled evil twin clone. Here's a perfect comparision of the two as Robin:
Jason's first appearance as Robin he can barely jump off a train without killing himself. Dick(whose 5 years younger) can dodge bullets, beat Ivy, Joker all with natural skills that amaze even Batman.
NW has feats against opponents that RH only wishes he had. The day he can catch Slades sword, knock out a meta like Blockbuster with sheer punches and has half his agility, experience and natural talents and fighting prowess is the day Todd gets some respect.
Until then since he has no character merits of his own and he'll continue to steal as many of Dick Graysons identities as he wants (NW, Red Robin etc) mauling his legacy in a pathetic attempt to give himself some of Grayson's hard earned respect because he isn't worthy to get one on his own. He doesn't have the character merit, so DC keeps giving him NW's costumes, plots, identities and legacy.
Here's a message for DC: No matter how hard you try to make Jason cool, give him Nightwing's costume, give him Grayson's respected elseworld identities just so he can gleen a little respect--its not working. Jason Todd is a failed Robin no matter how hard you try and he'll never be half as good as NW.
Jason Todd I heard was like the worst Robin, right? Even worse than Drake, or the least skilled one. Batman even said it himself and was scared that he could easily get killed. But still, regardless, he stocked up on guns and ammo and furthered his training which even had Batman and NW saying, "He is good." But he would still lose IMO. Nightwing---> faster, more agile, more skilled, def smarter, but def not as ruthless which would give RH about 4 wins out of 10. Nightwing wins IMO 6/10
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