Aizen Sousuke Bio:
Aizen's zanpakut? is Ky?ka Suigetsu (????, lit. Mirror Flower Water Moon). In its sealed form, it looks like a normal katana. Its shikai command is "shatter" (??? kudakero?). The name Ky?ka Suigetsu suggests its illusionary properties; the moon reflected in water and a flower in a mirror are things that can be seen but not held. It is a Chinese saying for seeing and desiring something that is a dream that cannot be easily grasped in hand, teaching people about temptations.
Ky?ka Suigetsu's shikai has the ability to place anyone who sees it under a state of complete hypnosis, after which Aizen can make them see whatever he wants. The hypnosis is unbreakable, even if the target is aware that they are hypnotized. The only way to avoid the effect is to not see Ky?ka Suigetsu's shikai, making the blind Kaname T?sen the only person in Soul Society completely immune to its effects. The effect seems to be permanent, or at the very least long-lasting, as Aizen uses it on nearly all of the lieutenants and captains in the Gotei 13 during a ceremonial release of his zanpakut? well before faking his own death. While the illusions Ky?ka Suigetsu creates are quite powerful, they are not perfect; Captain Retsu Unohana was able to detect something was amiss with Aizen's fake corpse, even though she did not realize what until seeing Aizen alive.
Ky?ka Suigetsu's hypnotic abilities make it a useful tool in combat as well, as Aizen can quickly create simple illusions to deceive opponents. By creating a decoy of himself, Aizen can hide his own movements and attack with impunity; his opponent, meanwhile, will remain focused on the illusion until it's too late to react. The most prominent example of this is his fight against Sajin Komamura,[5] where an illusionary copy of Aizen is seen melting away after the real Aizen has moved close enough to use the devastating Black Coffin spell.
Aizen has also been said to have reached the maximum level of shinigami skills in all categories.
Last edited by illadelph on Aug 5th, 2007 at 06:20 PM
If you ignore the whole bullshit about how Bleach shinigami can't be seen by normal people (and even including that, Superman has some kind of wacky "soul vision" power), then Superman wins easily, since he can speedblitz him before he can even draw his sword, and he has strong mental resistance to illusions and such. There's nothing Aizen could really even do to hurt him, unless you want to make the argument that his powers count as magic and would affect Superman's vulnerability to it.
we know quite a few of his battles aren't illusions, because in order to hypnotize someone he has to put his sword back in his basic form, and he never did that in front of Ichigo.
First of all there is the issue of whether or not Superman can actually touch Aizen, since Aizen is basically Intangible. Also there is a very simple way for Aizen to take down Superman in two strikes. He uses the soul ejection technique to get supermans soul out of his body, then he simply destroys his soul.
Also keep in mind whether or not Superman would immediately go for a speed blitz, since he usually challenges his opponent and urges them to surrender first so long as they haven't done anything horrific to the local population. As Aizen is extremely good at both stalling and is extremely fast himself (see his reaction to ichigo's speed blitz for more details) I think he could hold Supes off long enough to get the hypnosis on him. The hypnosis should be effective as it is basically magical attack, as are all of Aizen's other techniques.
1. They've never measured bleach speed, so what's fast for Ichigo might be incredibly slow for Superman. Given the fact that Yoruichi had to exhaust herself in order to travel through Soul Society in minutes and Superman could do it in a second, I'd say that the Bleach characters are incredibly slow compared to Superman.
2. Soul ejection? I don't think you do that on Superman. That's like claiming that it's possible to drain a DC/Marvel character of all their chakra. Reiatsu and terms like that can't apply when you bring in cross-genre character. Superman's soul can not be ejected, nor can Aizen cut his soul sleep or get him with his reiatsu pressure.
3. Superman can both see and touch Aizen. Otherwise this thread is pointless.
Not that this affects the outcome of the match, but those criteria are rather narrow - minded. Saint of Killers, for example, isn't a planet buster, but he could beat tons of characters that are.
Sure here's part of one, I'll add some scans later.
Aizen Sousuke
Aizen's zanpakut? is Ky?ka Suigetsu (????, lit. Mirror Flower Water Moon). In its sealed form, it looks like a normal katana. Its shikai command is "shatter" (??? kudakero?). The name Ky?ka Suigetsu suggests its illusionary properties; the moon reflected in water and a flower in a mirror are things that can be seen but not held. It is a Chinese saying for seeing and desiring something that is a dream that cannot be easily grasped in hand, teaching people about temptations.
Ky?ka Suigetsu's shikai has the ability to place anyone who sees it under a state of complete hypnosis, after which Aizen can make them see whatever he wants. The hypnosis is unbreakable, even if the target is aware that they are hypnotized. The only way to avoid the effect is to not see Ky?ka Suigetsu's shikai, making the blind Kaname T?sen the only person in Soul Society completely immune to its effects. The effect seems to be permanent, or at the very least long-lasting, as Aizen uses it on nearly all of the lieutenants and captains in the Gotei 13 during a ceremonial release of his zanpakut? well before faking his own death. While the illusions Ky?ka Suigetsu creates are quite powerful, they are not perfect; Captain Retsu Unohana was able to detect something was amiss with Aizen's fake corpse, even though she did not realize what until seeing Aizen alive.
Ky?ka Suigetsu's hypnotic abilities make it a useful tool in combat as well, as Aizen can quickly create simple illusions to deceive opponents. By creating a decoy of himself, Aizen can hide his own movements and attack with impunity; his opponent, meanwhile, will remain focused on the illusion until it's too late to react. The most prominent example of this is his fight against Sajin Komamura,[5] where an illusionary copy of Aizen is seen melting away after the real Aizen has moved close enough to use the devastating Black Coffin spell.
Aizen has also been said to have reached the maximum level of shinigami skills in all categories.
as to the response about about the soul ejection, I don't see why it wouldn't apply. It's a legitimate magical attack, and all characters have souls, and I haven't seen any sort of magical resistance on superman's part that could overcome that. barring that Aizen could simply use the reiatsu pinning which has been seen many times in bleach. This would be effective as the attack directly targets the soul of a person as opposed to their physical forms, thereby rendering Supermans strength useless against it.
Once again, you are applying bleach terms to a DC character. Not going to work I'm afraid. Not that it makes much of a difference. Bleach characters are far behind in terms of strength and speed, which is why Superman wouldn't have any problems taking this.
As for Bleach speed, its extremely difficult to calculate, but there are several context clues that we can use to figure out approximately what Aizen's speed is.
First of all, let's start with the first major use of superspeed in Bleach, when byakuya was able to unsheath his sword stab him twice in vital locations and then resheath it and be several hundred feet away by the time Ichigo could blink.
What sort of speed would you guys classify that as?
2. By the time Ichigo arrived in soul society and fights Byakuya again he is able to deal with that speed relatively comfortably in normal form, and it is known that Shinigami can only work at 1/8 power in the normal world, Although Aizen is an exception to this.
3. By the Ichigo vs. Byakuya main fight, Byakuya has approximately tripled his speed, and Ichigo goes far faster than Byakuya does even at full power, and has shown that he can move his sword at speeds that allow him to deflect thousands to millions of high speed projectiles.
4. Aizen is able to easily block Ichigo at top speed, and simply plays with him.
5. Ichigon recieves a major speed boost by going into vaizard form which appears to at least double his speed, and he is still easily matched in speed by one of aizen's mid level minions.
Any opinions on around what sort of speeds we can agree on for Bleach?
Personally i believe the major issue here is whether or not aizen can at least survive long enough to use kyouka suigetsu on Superman. I see absolutely no reason why it would not work on supes. After all this is the same attack that was able to function for centuries in an area controlled by high level magic or spiritualist users without any detection and worked on many extremely strong minds without any issue, such as head captain Yamamoto.
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