not quite representative of what I'm saying is it?
Worldbreaker was busting the world with his steps, clearly the power he was generating would/could do a lot more than that.
as for "beating cosmic level beings", Red knocked Uatu on his arse and was beating on him but Uatu was unprepared for a confrontation. if/when there's a rematch, Uatu would stomp Red, physically or otherwise, imo. Red has no business "beating" a cosmic level being, imo.
perhaps each one of Red's punches were of force sufficient to bust planets, but it didn't look it. looked like they were about the same as the punches that created earthquakes (the beating he gave A-bomb).
On that note. You know, five Celestials fighting were doing less damage than Grulk did in WWH (only destroying mountains and the like). Obviously Grulk>>>Five Celestials.
Just because the area damage is minimal, that doesn't mean one is weaker than another.
problem with suggesting that the Red - Uatu situation was one of those where the collateral damage doesn't reflect the power being applied is that you'd also effectively be saying that A-bomb, Savage Hulk etc are as durable as Uatu (which would of course, also definitively put "SSJ Hulk" above Red).
Red was about to clock Uatu when Savage Hulk grabbed his arm (using both his arms), Red didn't struggle free nor have sufficient power to just carry on with the swing-through at Uatu.
And that's the reason why I gave up on looking at consistency in Loeb's series. I also believe Emil was more durable than Uatu following that logic. Hell, She-Hulk hits harder than Thor.
Red hadn't moved his arm yet, and he didn't try to move his arm anyway when Grulk grabbed him. I don't see the point.
the point was that Red was pulling his arm back to clock Uatu, Savage Hulk managed to stop Red's arm. Red didn't try and break loose of Savage Hulk's grip afterwards, but he was definitely stopped from clocking Uatu as a result of Hulk's initial intervention.
the Emile and She-Hulk fights are different, it's easy to make out that the Red Hulk comics are more insane than they are, because of the intensity of dislike for certain characters... Red explicitly told She-Hulk that he could have killed her any time he wanted, he was toying with her. the implication is impossible to avoid, that he was pulling his punches.
Emile was beaten in a few punches, but Red wanted to finish him off with the big gun, it was some sort of calling card thing, perhaps to mark him out from "the other Hulk".
Hulk didn't swing yet, and he didn't try to break free. Open and shut case.
That's why I said she hits harder. And unless he was pulling his durability...
Uh-huh...
Wait, Grulk only got hit once... supposedly in the ribs.
'But Red wanted to finish him off with the big gun, it was some sort of calling card thing.'
Also, a machine gun pulled from the ground did more damage to A-Bomb than what Red did to him... again, inconsistent.
Either way, Rulk was able to stomp Uatu, and Thordin, and everyone else (except surprsingly Rick). That's his feats, and busting a loa... world doesn't top it... or maybe it does, I don't know.
nope, just looked at the scans again, clearly Savage Hulk stops Red's cocked arm - with one hand.
then he grabs Red's arm with both his hands, at which point Red's shifted his around to face Savage Hulk, before grabbing Hulk to begin their fight.
Red's durability might go up and down, if he really is modelled on Hulk. remember Hulk's durability isn't static either.
I don't recall She-Hulk doing any damage though, Mjolnir did actually bust up Red's face somewhat.
the machine gun thing is just silly, nothing less nothing more. Red was even going to try and kill Savage Hulk with a gun!
clearly some time passes between the cocking of Red's fist and the next panel, because Savage Hulk's hands are grabbing Red's arm. that's only possible if Savage lets go of Red's fist and if Red shifts his stance.
comics are, generally, rather silly and inconsistent. the only thing that makes Red Hulk "worse" than say Future Imperfect or some Thor epic, is that someone's favourite character is getting beaten up by a widely disliked character.
in Future Imperfect, Professor Hulk is shown on-panel to be stronger than adamantium. Maestro is the only superhero to have survived a nuclear holocaust which somehow managed to leave the planet in one piece yet kill Surfer, Thor et al. no way to get your head around that now, is there?
He could have grabbed with the other hand and shifted his other hand at the shoulder... I mean, he had time since Rulk's fist wasn't moving forward. Actually, it looks like Grulk grabbed the fist so he could lock his shoulder. Meh.
You mean when he beat the timeframe that the dogs can destroy adamantium in?
Also, different universe, different universe adamantium... etc. Don't care.
How does Uatu not Intervening work when somebody attacks him. Does he fight back or does he take it. If Red Hulk was fighting Aron the Rogue Watcher would have been a very different fight
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