The girl with a serious case of amnesia which hides a murderous and violent past, who was picked up later by a militarish organization and made part of the team because of her amazing yet misterious fighting abilities, and then entered a fighting tournament where she met the villain who was responsible for her violent past and was told everything by him which made her go emo until her team cheered her up and got over it, wins this fight.
She was shown to be able to do so in the comic, and those dudes had machine guns. It was the fights in the train and in the amazon. And I think she even did so in the SFIV movie (don't hold me to that one, tho.)
No she can't. She can only scratch the hell outta people...like Iori. Show me her slicin' peeps up and I will believe you. And for the record I OWN er canon KOF game on 3 discs. So I know what I'm talkin' about. I bet since Heidern can cut peeps wit his hands, he can beat peeps like Akuma, lol.
Show me some proof that Leona is faster. You can't just say things like that and not prove it to me.
And Leona does have control over her power. The last time she even used the power was in 97. That's over 10yrs and 6 games ago. What proof do you have that she has lost control in between these games. And what evidence is there that this "Orochi power" can take Cammy? Last time I checked Orochi Leona has got NO FEATS or any good showings.
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No, she never did anything remotely close in the Movies. and your reffering to Shadaloo Cammy... Who is brainwashed and controlled with superhuman reflexes...
Lol, your wrong on both counts here, many of Leona's attacks create energy blades designed to kill, thats like me saying that Akuma's attacks don't kill even though we know they do.
Iori's attacks are like vega's claws, and actually cut using the surface of the fingers, not just the nails.
If you knew what you where talking about, then you'd know how grevious an error you just made.
Normal leona is easily just as fast & acrobatic as any form of Cammy, Riot Leona is unbeleivably fast, and considerably faster than Cammy. Just have a look at how she plays in the game, or if thats to be tossed as gameplay, then she can take down teams solo which is perhaps even more impressive.
Please check what you just said, then smack yourself for not thinking...
Orochi Leona, like Riot Iori, where holding their own against TEAMS of skilled fighters... and I do remember more recently, her own Riot side was used more recently, and is an activatable ability in game.
Don't try and quibble with me dude, you remember what happened last time?
Anyways, one other feat to add, would be Leona solo'ing an entire village of Orochi purebloods, ones who where strong enough to stall Goenitz... And that feat was done when she was very young, no older than 10 years old.
Shadaloo Cammy and regular Cammy are the same person. I NEVER read anywhere that Cammy lost her powers when she regained her mind. Now I'll admit that the old Cammy had the ability to use more raw energy. In her SFA2 Gold endin' they said she had the power to destroy entire continents after she under went the full procedure but that's it.
1. Where did you get your info from, I'm readin' Leona's profile it it don't say that shit. Hell, have you ever read any of Cammy's bios, her moves are designed to kill as well. I'm not sayin' Leona can't kill wit her moves, I'm sayin' cuz she lacks any showin's of killin' someone strong that good fighters can survive. You make it sound like cuz she has blade like attack she can kill anybody. That's dumb.
2. Lol, I know that much, but your overratin' this Orochi cuttin' crap. I know they can kill wit their hands but you make it sound like they are literally capable of tearin'peeps body a apart rather than just bein' able to make fatal wounds. I'm tired of peeps overattin' this Orochi BS. I'm one of the smart guys who says, "You gotta prove this shit, cuz wit out feats it's a "10 ton brick" (wont fly)."
Dude I gotta laugh again, not that what your sayin' is stupid but you know I'm gonna ask you to prove this shit. How can you make a claim like that wit 2 characters I know very well? How is Leona faster, WHEN? SHOW ME. Gameplay? Hey, I got no problem wit that. But what move does either Leona or O.Leona have that comes close to the speed of a Spiral Arrow or a Canon Spike? Have you ever seen Cammy's attacks outside of gameplay? Sounds like someone likes Leona more and cuz of that...she wins. Cammy can basically do a motha' phuckin' MAXIMUM SPIDER. Leona can't touch a move like that in terms of speed
TEAMS of skilled fighters...who have NO FEATS and are weakings wit no way to gauge their power. Cammy can solo entire squads wit guns wit no Shadoloo influence. And as a matter of fact the part in the comic I'm talkin' a bout in the aint even
the shadoloo version I'm lookin' at it right now. I wish I had a scanner...damn.
Yes I do sir. You the KMC vet got schooled by me! You get a gold star for your effort, though. Why would you even bring that up? Why did you even come at me in this thread. You shoulda let me have my opinion and left it alone. Lord knows I let y'all, "cuz these characters have Orochi powers they are unbeatble", have yours. I don't even try to change y'all opinions any more. I just state mine's and leave.
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Lol, it's funny. When I say a SNK character will win (which is SUPER OFTEN), er thang is cool. But when I say a Capcom characters will win, I suddenly have a fight on my hands. And this is so true...I can proove it.
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Ok, it;s time for your re-education... again *Sigh*
Dude.... Read to me where I deemed her powerset changes... I said she was brainwashed into the ultimate killing machine, nothing about enhancing or degrading her powerset in any fasion in either case...
Another one who puts words in my mouth, and there's alot of this in your post, observe;
#1: You've quite a nerve spouting that garbage, it's called "Information from the games" my friend, I know far more about fighting games than you seem to be grasping here.
Cammy also lacks showings of any outright killing in-game, and the only thing we have to go on is her sniper skills, and gang banging Dorai (Chun Li's father) in the comics. And both of their professions (Soldiers) are by nature, killing people of all shapes and sizes, so your theory just got blown into the toilet.
#2: Err, dude, the Orochi powers whern't even mentioned in that paragraph... But since you need it sooner rather than later, let me spell this out for you. The Orochi power/blood is KOF's equivelant of Satsui No Hado, in other words, take a look at Rugal, he was enhanced by a mere fraction of it, and became many times stronger than he was. Leona, being a pureblood orochi posesses a far greater digree of power from it than Rugal does, and he soloed the 95 cast., And yes, judging by the size of the energy arcs she generates, she can split people in two.
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Show me Cammy doing something even REMOTELY close to this, and you'll have a case.
The V Slasher is just as fast as the Killer Bee assault, the Grand Saber is every bit as fast as the Cannon Drill, and the Moon Slasher is actually faster than the Cannon Spike.
You have the Games, do some research before spouting this at me again.
And play 97 using Riot Leona, and then tell me who is faster.
#1: So, the cast of 97 are weaklings with no feats and no way to guage power? interesting...
Um, again, who has Cammy actually defeated?
#2: You skooled me kid? I think your remembering your facts wrong, AGAIN. I claimed that nobody is perfect, but you claimed you where never wrong and thus perfect, then I proceeded to dismantle your argument peicemeal.
And I'll do it again here, where did I state that Orochi powers are invincible anywhere? By god, all the years of proving SADO wrong on that, and now someone is accusing ME of loving KOF... Oh the IRONY!!!!
I am perhaps the single biggest fan of Street Fighter you'll ever meet in your lifetime kid, I defended streetfighter solo during the days of Wandering Flame and Sado22. 2 years of that shite, and now I'M getting accused of being a KOF fanboiieee...
Hey Brainchild!, C'mere, I got something to show ya!
I merely stated why I think Leona wins this one, which I think is fair enough, I'm not biased for either franchise. You made this into an argument when you attacked my analysis of your oppinion, now you wanna throw me in the toilet as a KOF fanboy despite 2 years worth of debating to the contrary. Great start kid.
There is no reason to think any member of that village was as strong as Goenitz. Goenitz just went there, talked and left. No fighting involved there.
Not in-game, but in the canon the combat training Shadaloo gave to her and all the dolls, is the one of a killer. Her style is designed to kill regardless of whether it is shown or not in the game. And there isn't any reason to think Cammy changed her fighting style after joining Delta Red. The amnesia didn't affect her fighting memory.
You are forgeting to take in consideration Rugal's natural strength. He was powerful already before using the Orochi power. He lost, but he defeated Benimaru, Daimon and almost Kyo.
Anyway, Leona cut a tree down, and I used to think better of Cammy until I saw what C. Viper did to her.
Still going with Leona, despite liking Cammy better.
WTF are you talkin' about? You said in so may words Cammy can only do ______________ cuz she was brainwashed and I said in so many words it didn't matter rather she was or not. I hate when you do this, after this post I'm gonna quit cuz you always say things like that to destract from the debate.
Whatever, man, I'm not even gonna stoop to your level and attempt to insult your knowledge on the subject, I could but I wont. Instead I'll just focus on what matters.
1. Your #1 only proved my point. I'm not like you, I'm not gonna say just cuz they describe Cammy's style as deadly that means she can kill anyone. I actually base my points on hard evidence. I base my argumanets on the games and material Capcom has said is canon or displays canon ability.
I base my thoughts for Cammy winnin' on the showin's mainly from the Udon comic and no other comic cuz that's the only one Capcom said had canon ability. Hell I don't even use the SFII Cammy manga cuz Cap never said it was canon ability and in that comic when she got pissed and took knives and bullets to the body...
I Seen her jump across buildins like a ninja..
I Seen her EASILY dodge machine gun rounds from 4 different dudes and broke all thier knecks with in seconds.
I seen her kick a guy so hard, not only did she kill him, she kicked'im through the roof of a train leavin' a hole so that you could see the sky.
I seen her take on a whole ARMY of soldiers wit machine guns, humvies and helicopters.
I seen her jump from a 3 story buildin'
I seen her take a Kikoshou from Chun Li. That not only blew her away but blew 6 cars wit her. And was still fine afterwords
And some how Leona is better then that.
2. Stop the bull...pleez. There you go assumin' shit wit NO PROOF. PROVE that the Orochi Power is equal to Satsui No Hadou. Last time I checked the Satsui No Hadou made man able destroy battle ships wit kicks, gave peeps the power to send peeps to hell instantly, and made man impervious to hand gun bullets. What feats does Orochi power have that involve not beatin' peeps wit plot devices and other shit. This is why I hate debatin' here. In regular places people would have to bring proof to claims and that makes things go over so easy. You say Orochi blood is equal to Satsui No Hado like Cap or SNK said it was.
OMG, why did you just do that?!
Leona can never match the speed and lethality of such an attack.
NONE of Leona's moves show speed. That's just a slash animations. I could be like you and say somthin' smart to make you seem like you dont' know what the hell your talkin' bout but I wont. You keep postin' stuff like that and I will never have to. PROOVE SHE IS FASTER. All the sprite animations in the KOF history don't proove to me that she can dodge bullets.
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Lol, Cammy's regular punches and kicks leave blur effects. Cammy's basic attacks are faster than Leona's DMs. So lets get real.
LMAO
1. Who did she beat in 97? How far did she get in the tourny, do you know? No...you don't. Name me 1 huge feat from someone in 97 that wasn't a boss...lol.
2. I find it LAME AS HELL to argue over who schooled who. I claimed I knew what the hell I was talkin' about almost 100% of the time cuz I research before I post and I only post my opinions in threads where I am heavily involved in the games I talk about.
Your argument was pretty much like, "I know more cuz I been at KMC longer". But if you say you won, don't let me Shungokusatsu your ego.
And you aint been arguin'against shit. I read post in an old thread where you said Orochi would tie against Jedah or Pyron, cuz he was Orochi. Or that R.Iori would draw wit Evil Ryu. None of these characters you cheer lead for have feats. Yet they are equal to these characters who have feats and shows of power...preech thet malarky to some one who aint seen you post for that long.
Bullshitx3, you came at me 1st. You wanted me to argue wit you or you would have never attacked my post. If you wanna fight like gentleman then okay, that's what this place is for, but don't make me seem like I'm the bad guy who felt the need to change your mind cuz I like 1 character more than the other. I thought you were wrong in so many threads so many times but I never bothered to "correct you" cuz I know how you and the likes are. The thread would go on and on wit no agreement in site. And I never called you a fanboi...you called yourself one.
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She does have state of the art weapons and rocket boots. I think Cammy would've faired better if she knew what was in store. Even Ryu was like WTF at 1st. Come to think of it, Ryu was loosing too.
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Where did you get your info from, I'm readin' Leona's profile it it don't say that shit. Hell, have you ever read any of Cammy's bios, her moves are designed to kill as well. I'm not sayin' Leona can't kill wit her moves, I'm sayin' cuz she lacks any showin's of killin' someone strong that good fighters can survive. You make it sound like cuz she has blade like attack she can kill anybody. That's dumb.
