Surfer has the more versatile power.. and displays of it...
even against a guy like hal.
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Even counting Pre-Crisis days of Hal? He did pretty much anything. Energy manipulation, time travel, transmutation, teleportation, healing, energy bolts, you name it. What feats does Surfer have that puts him above Hal in versatility? Something that Hal hasn't done?
i have no actual reason whatsoever..u see..my favorite hero is Surfer followed by Flash and GL..they are about even in versatility but because i like Surfer more..i said Surfer is more versatile..
can GLs synthesise magic?
can they see into the past/future?
can they steal/absorp souls?
can they drag people into the Astral/spiritual plane?
can GLs caste illusions, hypnotise, heal other characters (Thor level characters!), evolve planets (billions of years), affect psychology and emotions globally?
I dunno, I think Surfer is being underestimated here.
He's not being underestimated at all. And I'm not saying GL is more versatile than Surfer. It's pretty even, I think. Here is a list of what Hal has done throughout the years. A good PC Hal respect thread. Most of that stuff Hal has done.
I don't see a significant difference between the two. As descriptions have often stated, the power ring is limited only by will and imagination; with power cosmic, it's more a question of what the Surfer can't do.
Given that the whole idea of the ring is to be able to do virtually anything (and that seems to be how it's generally showcased), and that Surfer more/less tends to enter a fray with simple blasting, if I had to vote one way or the other, I'd give the edge to a top GL. But again, this is a somewhat arbitrary decision.
Question: which works better against magic? Here too my impression is the ring, given that power cosmic seems a little more closely tied to the laws of physics, whereas with Oan energy...I haven't the faintest idea what that actually means (at least there is such a thing as cosmic energy, even if Marvel takes great liberty with what that means).
To paraphrase, a plot device by any other name would work as well.
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Not gonna happen.
Surfer.
Glorified telekinetic shapes won't stand up to Power Cosmic energy cutting right through it.
You know what synthesize means, right? It's not as though Surfer proved capable of producing the Odin Power -- he was able to manipulate it and SYNTHESIZE IT (combine) with his own power cosmic, yes.
And travel into the past/future.
Absolutely, and on a greater scale than the Surfer, who has one example of having trouble with a single soul in a story that may or may not be out of continuity before he got the Blackbody power up.
Kilowog absorbed the souls of every mind on his planet, something like 16 billion.
They've certainly gone to the Astral Plane, yes.
GL's can cast illusions, they can hypnotize (and much more), they can heal other characters (including Flash level characters), they can CREATE entire planets from asteroids (complete with ecosystems and, at times, structures and technology), and they can take over the minds of every being on an entire planet, yes.
First we see that an entire world/dimension exists within the GL ring. Then we see that the GL ring was able to take away/suppress the magical abilities of Mrywheddon. Then we see Hal defeat Myrwheddon on his own.
Here Hal is transported to another, parallel universe which was born with only one, supremely powerful magical ruler -- the Warlock of Ys. Due to the steady state of the universe, his magic is infinite, he's all powerful, blah blah blah. The rules of the universe are different, but once Hal learns how to use his ring, he performs well, and eventually totally freezes the Warlock in a state of suspended animation.
This is a doozey. Rond Vidar, Green Lantern for the 31st Century, goes up against Mordru, Superboy Prime, and the Legion of Supervillains. During the course of the battle we see how he fares against probably one of the most powerful mages in the DCU, ever, we see his ring deliver information on each member of the Legion of Supervillains, we see him create an energy dome that shields him from the COMBINED energy attacks of all of them (including an energy signature that appears to belong to Mordru and one that belongs to Superboy Prime), he refracts Lazon (pure energy being), and even seems to cage Validus for a bit. He’s killed in the effort, but man…what a way to go!
Tom and Marty (Good side of Hal imprinted upon the ring) travel through time to stop Hal Jordan from destroying the Corps. They are intercepted by Parallax.
On the verge of death, Hal stops time (stretching a nanosecond into Eternity) and teleports or transports beings from all across the planet to decide someone worthy to carry on for him. He later decides that he in fact doesn’t want to die, and wills himself to life with the ring.
Hal, faced with beings that exist seconds into the future, sends his beam into the future to defeat them (well, Sapphire does it first, but Hal was planning on it).
When Kilowog is tortured by the death of his entire race, the rookie Arisia converts herself into pure mind energy and enters his mindscape, essentially showing a great degree of telepathy.
More disguises, this time Hal makes each of the members of the Justice League look like another (Flash looks like Aquaman, etc). As an aside, he also breaks whatever was holding Superman.
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