__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
Yoda also stalemated Sidious. No reason to believe he became vastly more powerful between EP 2 and 3.
Plus Yoda trained Dooku so it's likely Dooku knows Yoda's style pretty well a la Anakin v Obi.
Also take into account Dooku ran from Yoda which tells us he knew he could not win where as he was actually holding off both Anakin and Obi at the same time for awhile.
Based on what? What shows Yoda getting more powerful?
Where did Yoda have trouble with Dooku? He wasn't even trying hard and was basically just holding him off. Probably because he didn't wanna kill his former padawan. Also you failed to address my point about Dooku knowing Yoda much more intimately than Anakin would.
Dooku had an advantage that Anakin won't which is hours of sparring just like Anakin had with Obi. Anakin wouldn't know what he was steping into.
Yoda goes from having trouble lifting a steel guider, to being able to manhandle a pair of CIS Landing-craft, for one thing.
Also, his swordsmanship developed considerably in leaps, from not being able to pacify a pre-Clone Wars Dooku - to being able to disarm Sidious in sabers.
And that's just a drop in the ocean.
If Yoda could have halted Dooku with any kind of ease, he would have done so. The Republic was at stake.
Even if Yoda did win, which he wouldn't, it wouldn't be a stomp by any means.
A RotS Anakin (I should have specified we're talking about Zonakin here) is considerably beyond his Pre-Clone Wars self - prior experience with Dooku, greater swordsmanship mastery and a much more developed sense and usage in the Force.
Anakin would not only entirely know what he was stepping into - he would murder this Dooku.
Lol you think everyone got a hundred times more powerful in the clone wars.
Neither a 900 year old Jedi Master nor a Sith Lord in his 80's are going to make any kind of significant improvement in 3 years.
Also Yoda did disarm Sidious. The scene is missed out in the film, but it's in the script. And we see in the film that one scene Yoda and Sidious are in a Saber duel, whilst in the next scene Sidious's Saber is gone.
Your also making an assumption that there's a significant difference between Sidious and Dooku in a Pure Fencing contest.
Ah finally I agree with you. Yes Count Dooku is one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time. He of course will not go down to Yoda in a 10 second stomp, or anything close to that.
But he will lose to Yoda.
Yes "In the Zone" Anakin with the pristine clarity he used to stomp Dooku would most likely defeat Yoda in a pure Saber duel. He might even take the all out Imo.
But 9 times out of 10 when Anakin doesn't have that pristine clarity and doesn't unleash the nuclear furnace in his heart, Yoda will stomp him.
I'd say Yoda wins after a good fight. Yoda has the advantage of speed and skill, whereas Anakin has the advantage of strength.
Comparing ROTS Anakin's fight with Dooku to AOTC Yoda's fight with Dooku, without considering the circumstances, is why ABC logic does not always work. First of all, Yoda was greatly holding back against Dooku, which is basically why he did not attack Dooku telekenetically. Second, Yoda does not have the reach that Anakin does, which would make it harder for Yoda to aim for Dooku's arms. And thirdly, Yoda does not have the strength that "in the zone" Anakin does, which is basically how Anakin eventually overcame Dooku, by wearing him down via superior strength; he did not out-skill or out-speed Dooku. So, no, just because Anakin defeated Dooku quicker than a Yoda who was holding back, does not make Anakin superior to Yoda. That's almost like saying Savage is superior to Yoda just because he disarmed Dooku and sent him flying on his back in one saber strike. We know Yoda would destroy Savage in pure sabers. Remember, Yoda did disarm Sidious, who blitzed three sabermasters in seconds, and then forced Windu (Dooku's equal) back - nearly defeating him until Windu fully tapped into Vapaad.
Also, it's worth noting that Anakin has never fought someone of Yoda's size, whereas Yoda has tons of experience fighting opponents of Anakin's size. Another advantage for Yoda.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
The reason Yoda did not attack Dooku telekinetically, was because they had already had a contest of Force abilities, and more or less stalemated there.
"It is obvious this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skill with the lightsaber." ―Dooku
- And Anakin's. Thanks for helping my case.
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Go watch RotS again, buddy.
Go to the Anakin/Dooku duel - slow down and freeze-frame the seconds before Anakin chops off Dooku's hands. Watch what he does there.
Come back and tell me what happens in the seconds before.
He specifically out-skilled him.
Perhaps not, but it likely makes RotS Anakin Zonakin equal to AotC Yoda in sabers.
RotS Yoda did that - not AotC Yoda - who Sidious would very likely defeat in sabers.
First, Windu is Dooku's superior, second - is this from that CGI series bullshit?
And I like how you call the CGI series bullshit, whilst using most your proof from the CW mini series.
Whether you like the show or not the CGI show IS T-Canon. That puts it higher in canonicity than any SW medium except for the movies, movie screenplays/scripts, and any direct statements from Lucas.
You thinking it's BS doesn't change that.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Sep 11th, 2012 at 08:12 PM
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
Sep 10th, 2012 06:16 PM
