in countdown to mystery, Eclipso - with the heart of darkness - was able to stalemate the spectre (Crispus Allen) for an entire day before he eventually lost.
That as I recall wasnt even with the "full" HoD. We've never seen Eclipso with the full HoD only many of the shards. It's like taking about a fully fed Galactus, everything is pure speculation
No It wasn't. It was a a version of the HOD formed by a loyal ( and willing) servant of Eclipso. It however was not formed using ALL the shards of the original. It was formed using the shards that Alex Montez liquified and injected into himself. If you want proof that it wasn't the FULL HOD remember that Bruce Gordan throughout the series still held onto to one of the shards and was accessing and using Eclipso's power himself with it. When he was shown the new formed HOD and was made to allow Eclipso out Eclipso destroyed his crystal because he had altered it to be a weapon against his control (either issue 5 or 6). The Jean Loring Eclispo was also elsewhere throughout. That's at least two shards proven as missing already.
Also that version of Spectre was far from his peak of power. He had just started to take on Crispus as a host/bond and was well bellow his peak.
yes I'm referring to that Eclipso. His servant had reformed
the HOD and he merged
with it. The HOD however didn't have ALL the shards of the original. panels after he merged ( having been released from Bruce Gordan) he crushed and destroyed the shard Bruce had altered to undo Eclipso's control of Plas, Creeper etc. in the same ark Jean Loring ( also possessed by a shard) was shown to be on Apokalips with Darkseid. as I said even that was not with the "FULL" Heart of Darkness. frankly he had better feats during the crossover series where he fathered many of the shards and soloed the DCU
IMO certain versions of Eclipso would shit all over Odin, while certain other versions would be shit on. I'd pay to see a G'orr vs Eclipso match though. RK Thor would be quite entertaining as well.
During "Eclispo: the Darkness within" he gathered hundred of the shards of the destroyed Heart of Darkness ( each containing an aspect of him and a portion of his power) and was able to solo all the DCU. He was able to possess and control about half of Earths heroes and a few others from other planets.
Also the one in JLA "Eclipso Rising" Though that wasn't "just" his power. he used his shadow and soul power to gain control of Jade and through that steal the Starheart from Alan. Using it he killed the Spectre and cut of the Presence from his power.
There was also the time he defeated the Corrigan Spectre, though to be fair he had managed to seer the link the Spectre had with Corrigan before the battle ( making him unbound which is a weaker power level). Once Corrigan regained the connection he kicked Eclipso's shadowy but reforemd the HoD and imprisoned him in it anew.
In the Phantom Stranger 4 issue mini ( 84/5 IIRC) he was so powerful that the Stranger's power could not even affect him
The first feat I mentioned and gave a link to is not amps. It is in fact the only time we have seen Eclipso CLOSE to his full power.
Eclipso was the avatar of the Presence's wrath in the days of the old testament before he got in touch with his feminine side and replaced him with Aztar ( Spectre) who is instead his avatar of vengeance. Technically he has all the power of Specre but a BLOODLUSTED version. When he was removed as the avatar of wrath Aztar imprisoned him within a crystal called the Heart of Darkness. it was shattered into millions of pieces. Each piece contains a VERY small aspect of the overall being. These "small aspects" are all we normally see of Eclipso.
In short the versions I've mentioned are below the power level of the Eclipso mentioned in the OP (i.e. with the FULL Heart Of Darkness), but are the closest examples we have because we have never actually seen his power at that level on panel.
I didn't create the thread Golio did. he listed full power of the heart of darkness in the OP. HoD isn't a part of the Nu52 gemworld version so clearly the one in this fight has 't been retconned.
You asked which versions of Eclipso could take Odin easily and I told you. You claim they are amps so I point out that the OP lists a greater amp than any as stipulated conditions ( an amp actually greater than any we have ever seen for the character so in fact the feats I mentioned arent amps). As for time stop so freakin what two of the characters I mentioned in the last post that these lower versions of the character beat can two. Eclipso without having the FULL power of the HoD has defeated several sky fathers. I don't see him having to hard a fight against one with it's full power. Without the full power of the HoD he has defeated his universes equivilent to TOAA. It's a ridiculous match up because for one character we are talking completely undefined power levels. I don't as a rule like matches where ine side has no defined limits to impose on any aspect of their power which is what we have here.
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