Is Johnny just not that good/powerful/effective a character?
Was thinking of the Nova Blast thread, and some other things i read online today.
Seems he's really not that good. At anything.
So, can Johnny get a majority in no prep no BFR fights against any of the DCnu JLA?
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
GL Hal
Barry Flash
Cyborg
Aquaman
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It's not that he's 'not that powerful', he is. It's just that he's outclassed a lot of the times by the villains the FF face (which usually need Reed to "chef up" something to beat them).
He's easily the second most powerful member of the FF and extremely versatile. He's a fast flier, can control any source of flame (either snuffing it out or amping it or using it to make shapes like decoys of himself to confuse the enemy), he can fire powerful blasts of plasma, his nova blast is no joke, he can draw heat out of his opponents or the air (he used this technique to beat Graviton).
As to the thread :
He loses to -
Superman
Wonder Woman
GL Hal
He can pull majority wins against -
Cyborg
Aquaman
Batman
I don't know how he'd fare vs Flash. I know Flash can literally run circles around him but what could Flash do if Torch stays airborne and starts draining heat from the environment, or sets it all afire, or goes nova?
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Does Flash usually use that ability and even if he did how would he withstand a plasma burst or Human Torch could rap him in a fire tornado while also burning the oxygen causing him to suffocate.
By having reflexes waaaaaay faster than Torch, I'd imagine. Before he even thinks about what he should/could do, he'd have been punched. It would be like asking how a hypersonic bullet would be able to withstand all the things you just named - it doesn't have to. Torch has fast reactions, sure. Flash fast? I doubt it.
Also, depending on the writer, he does not need to breathe. Speedforce, remember?
Honestly Flash is moot. There is at least one member of the JLA that Johnny can absolutely do nothing to. It's irrelevant what would happen to other members.
Though it needs to be said Flash would KO Johnny before he even reacts.
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Johnny is not only a hothead - he's one of those dumb, pretty boys that joke all the time and treat everything as a game. Like Iceman, young Jason Todd or Spiderman sometimes.
Richard has the brains. Sue has the raw power and versatility. Ben, on his best day, is not *that* far from some older versions of the Hulk.
Johnny is irresponsible, easy to manipulate, never thinks about what he's doing, doesn't learn from his mistakes, doesn't listen to orders... Doom is right to mock him.
Cyborg or Aquaman, maybe. And that's being generous as hell.
In terms of a straight up fight, power for power, Johnny would demolish Reed and Ben. Sue eclipses him but then again Sue eclipses a lot of high metas.
IMHO, Johnny is more powerful than either of those two. His nova blast alone has more raw power than Cy or AM can reproduce. Then you have his heat manipulation powers which are awesome. He can either ignite the environment around him into an inferno OR he can DRAIN heat from it (this is how he beat Gravition, a legit team buster) : (please log in to view the image)
I don't understand how he, the HT, is rated so low on this forum all of a sudden.
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At best? More like at LEAST mid meta. At most, high meta. How many mid metas can make Graviton their b|tch?
He can for sure take AM. AM has shown great heat resistance vs things like lava and such, but Johnny's flame is a LOT hotter than lava. Ironically, he doesn't even have to beat him using fire. He can just siphon the heat from him and freeze him solid.
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