She has also stalemated / got an upper hand vs. a prepped Galactus who even brought his herald to aid him. And this was nowhere near the Phoenix at its best.
On the other hand, LBG seems stronger than the previous version.
Rachel certainly did humiliate Galactus whilst Galactus was unable to harm Rachel at all during their fight. A clear indication of Phoenix being more powerful than Galactus. And Ray had just returned from a mission, she was tired and unsuspecting, whereas Galactus was specifically coming after Phoenix. Yet, Ray matched him effortlessly.
I'm not denying that Galactus has the means to hurt the Phoenix if she surrenders and voluntarily allows Galactus to wrap her into his world eater machine and do whatever he pleases. Most characters can hurt most other characters under such conditions. But in a fight Phoenix looked better despite her being weary and unsuspecting. And this thread is about a fight, not a situation where the other is not allowed to fight back.
Rachel didn't "happen to show up and attack"; it was Galactus who showed up and attacked, with his herald by his side. It was a surprise attack against Ray, and she still did fine.
Rachel never even touched Galactus with her own power.
and ... Rachel and Galactus never battled.
The only one that got stomped here was Nova.
So your perspective on the scenario friend, is/was way off with:
"Rachel certainly did humiliate Galactus"
"Galactus was unable to harm Rachel at all during their fight"
"clear indication of Phoenix being more powerful"
"Ray matched him effortlessly"
But then again, Rachel submitted herself to this. It's not like he overpowered her. I mean Odin has spells that can take out Celestials doesn't mean he's more powerful than them. And Loki and Grandmaster have imprisoned Death herself.
That issue proved two things though Mr. M : The PF IS a universal power (at least) and it's responsible for all the stars in the universe (shown on panel)***. The PF can destroy a universe (admitted to by Galactus himself) : (please log in to view the image)
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Inconsequential to my point old friend.
1) The PF never proved to be a "universal" power. I'm 100% certain the PF was never above the abstracts.
The PF was respnosible for the stars, and the psyche of living beings was responsible for the PF. Chicken or the Egg?
2) PF can destroy a universe, but not an Eternity/Infinity universe.
3) "Mother of the stars," ... you mean that jelly bean in Kubik's hand?
Stars are only of consequence concerning life that needs them. (alien races/humanoid races) ...
... The PF was the first presented in Kubik's museum cause it was the weakest.
Remember, Kubik was ascending up the food chain.
4) Galactus never said that, it was Rachel who made that hyperbolic boast ...
... Galactus repied: "No" ... and then schooled her on how it is:
Eternity/Infinity universe? I'm not following Mr. M. Galactus said the PF can destroy an entire universe and Death backed up that claim but added that from that destruction it will bring about new life. So it can destroy a universe and somehow aid in the creation of a new one. The Watcher even said without the PF there would be NO life in the universe or even potential for life.
Yup. He was ascending up the food chain but the moral of the story was that it's all one big cycle. They even ascended beyond the Beyond Realm and they were at the molecular level. Then from there back right where they started. It was very telling that Kubik called the first layer the most important. That was the layer dealing with the stars and the PF.
My bad, yeah. It draws it's power from all potential life. That's still huge.
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Back then, the stars were pretty much considered the ultimate power from what i remember; they were also regarded as being actual living beings. There was a Dr Strange story which established that the stars were the source of all energy - including mystical. so when the creators usurped the position of the stars they were considered to be the ultimate power in the universe iirc.
They even overpowered the Ancient One who at the time was basically an abstract level being (he managed to hold off Eternity in a separate comic and was implied to be beyond Death).
though i dont know how much Kaminski ,Claremont, or the other Phoenix writers knew of that story.
Order and Chaos are abstracts; they represent the concepts after which they are named. As Galactus said, after the rebirth of MU, these concepts are in turmoil. Order is experiencing disorder and Chaos is experiencing order, whereas Galactus is at peace with his new role. Thus the result of their fight might mostly reflect the fact that Order and Chaos are much weaker than what they used to be, instead of Galactus being much stronger.
Nothing i saw from that fight suggest they were weaken. Honestly what you are saying sounds more like a theory. Both Order and Chaos seem in top shape to me
There are two explanations, both equally valid a priori: either Galactus was stronger or O&C weaker than before. And based on what Galactus said, O&C were weakened by this internal turmoil I mentioned in my last post. It was what Galactus exploited to beat them.
Nothing like that, galan straight up stomped them both, they even battled in a place where they said they could use their full power without damaging normal space
I'm not saying that what you are suggesting is impossible as i find it a a very interesting perspective. Though really it looks like Galactus flat out beat them. I guess this is up for debate
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