can any herald lvl or below take down a really pissed off flash with full use of the speed force? i am trying to settle an argument with a friend i hope you all can help.
1. Professor Xavier (can put people to sleep just by thinking it, without even visually sighting that person)
2. Psylocke (can effectively induce hallucinations, making people see her where she isn't, blinding people to where she actually is, thoroughly convince them they are actively using a power they are actually NOT using, etcetera. For an example of the last, see X-Men #7 or thereabouts, circa 1992, where Psylocke convinces Omega Red he has released his lethal life-draining "death" spores on her -- to absolutely no effect.)
3. Mastermind. Jason Wyndegarde (spelling?)
See the primal Dark Phoenix saga.
4. Black Cat w/ bad luck powers, Spider-Man comics, circa 1985.
Unconscious, always active aura that nearly unfailingly causes anyone who wishes harm to suffer disabling misfortune. Worked even on machines and allies.
Have we ever seen a flash with full (and I mean full) use of the speed force
Wouldn't a flash like that have full kinetic energy control and the omnipresence
If so the answer is no to your question
If not the answer is still no except for possibly silver surfer, he is the only one who stands a chance
Dracula can with his Dual Adamantine Katanas and an army of 10,000 fledgling vampires and his undead army of wolves, undead wolves, bats, undead bats and other creatures of the night.
Time travel is very impressive, but I can certainly see where it would fail, and I bet you can, too. Flash can lend speed and steal speed, for instance. He could turn a person into a living statue, right? What if this power backfires, though? He'd wind up a paperweight himself. What if he vibrated himself into a girder? A JLA teleported? What if he blacked out because he'd gone too long without eating in the mind-altered state the OP seems to be suggesting and pushed himself too hard -- while heading into the path of an oncoming train?
Implausible, right? But that's the point. Those off the wall scenarios become the most likely scenarios when facing yesteryear's Felicia Hardy.
I don't think people realize just how hax 1985 Black Cat's bad luck powers actually were. People were all but guaranteed to find ways to defeat themselves if they came anywhere in Cat's vicinity with hostile intentions. It also stopped machines, traps and other inanimate objects. The most agile and experienced of foes would become bumbling, inept fools, misjudging distances, tripping over their own feet or that of others, find their bodies betraying them by cramping up when standing, walking, running, etcetera. Bullets would fail to land. Or ricochet. Or crumble in mid-air. Traps would jam. Rust. Explode.
Here, show beats tell, and this might give a better idea of what Flash would actually be up against:
We have seen glimpses and flashes (ha!) of a full potential Flash. For example, in Kingdom Come when he gave himself fully to speed and was said to be so fast he was everywhere at the same time (including across dimensions). Or in the JLA story about the burning Martian, where he evacuated an entire city of people when a nuclear bomb was going off by taking 500,000 people, in ones and twos, many miles away in 0.00001 of a MICROsecond. Or the Flash that beat instant transportation across the universe.
A full potential Flash is not undefeatable - it is just that there are not many people below a certain tier that can do it. Off the top of my head I cannot think of one that can do so without prep that is below a certain tier.
I would largely agree with the above, with the exception of partly mystic characters who always effectively have magic "shields" up. Black Cat, when possessed of true "bad luck" powers was one such instance.
She is perhaps the only SINGLE person below Herald tier I could see taking max potential forum Flash, unprepared, one-on-one, and winning the majority of encounters.
Note that Black Cat's innate ability solves the problems of awareness, or lack thereof, of who she's fighting, likewise how to defend and counterattack against someone too fast to fully react to, and, ultimately, knock her opponent out of the fight, even if she can't physically so much as detect him, let alone land a punch. She could literally be lying in bed asleep and take this fight. That's almost what you need for this scenario. And that's precisely what she has.
After Black Cat, I'm of the mind that any team that has Longshot, Domino, and/or Scarlet Witch in combination with a mentalist, magician, or illusionist has perhaps a 1/3 chance of taking Flash out, regardless of what Flash brings to the table.
full use of the speed force makes him insanely strong i cant think of one single person who could really stop him ... you could make something like a reed richards plot device if given enough time but outside of that he snaps to many necks before ne one can hurt him.
It doesn't show that her back is towards him....which again, isn't quite the same as her power working whilst she's asleep. She's in battle, knowing she's facing several foes, with weapons scattered about.
A far cry from suddenly fading from existence because she was taken out before she was even born.
What you're suggesting, however, is a far cry from the encounter the original poster of this thread proposed, or even implies he's proposing.
Standard forum rules at least have the 2 sides know they're facing each other, after all.
And once the battle's begun, if Flash makes any moves with hostile intentions toward Cat, probability says he WILL find the attack disastrously turned back on him.
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