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Jaggarath
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Dooku, Mace, and Anakin Quotes

"[Dooku's] skill with a lightsaber is matched only by Master Yoda." - Force Collection

The above quote seems to suggest that Dooku, as of AotC, is greater than Mace.

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- Galactic Files

I also found this quote, which says Anakin "easily" bested Dooku.

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Anyway, I again restate my belief that:

Dooku and Mace were rough equals as Jedi, but Dooku was slightly better.

Dooku improved after leaving the Jedi Order and was above Mace in AotC.

Dooku stagnated during the Clone Wars due to political duties and whatnot.

Mace eventually became equals with Dooku during the later pars of the war.

By Revenge of the Sith, Mace (low 9, high 8) finally surpassed Dooku (8).


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Ooh, pretty gewd.


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Good finds.

Although I have to disagree with you on the Mace/Dooku thing:

-Mace was better as a Jedi

-Dooku surpassed him in AotC

-Mace never surpassed him in raw skill, but is still the better duelost by RotS due to his superior physical augmentation


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-Mace was better as a Jedi

The reasoning I say Dooku was better was based on Yoda's DR quote.

Yoda seems to suggest Dooku was his best pupil, not Mace.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The reasoning I say Dooku was better was based on Yoda's DR quote.

Yoda seems to suggest Dooku was his best pupil, not Mace.


That could be including Force powers. There're quotess which explicitly state TPM Mace > TPM Dooku in dueling


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Got a quote? I got a quote saying Dooku and Mace were equals in dueling as Jedi.

I'd favor Dooku slightly though due to a Force advantage. Still seems like a 5.5/4.5 split though.


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Let's see what we got here regarding them as Jedi:

Dooku > Mace:

- "Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective." - Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

- "Dooku had been reckoned one of the foremost duellists in the Jedi Order, second only to Master Yoda." - The Official Star Wars Fact File #60

Dooku = Mace:

- "Before leaving the Jedi Order, he was known as one of its greatest duelists, a match even for Mace Windu." - The Clone Wars: Heroes and Villains

- "He assisted in Dooku's combat training and as a result, the Padawan became especially proficient with a lightsaber. Only Masters Yoda and Mace Windu were considered to be on equal terms with him." - Insider #109

- "Only Mace himself ever mastered it, and it was reckoned that only Master Yoda and Dooku were ever able to match Windu with a lightsaber." - The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #25

Mace > Dooku:

- "Under Yoda's tutelage, Dooku became one of the greatest sword masters the Order had ever produced - eclipsed only by Mace Windu and Yoda himself." - The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #48

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I'm inclined to put them as rough equals as Jedi with Dooku ever so slightly superior due to a minor Force edge.


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I honestly agree with all of this.


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Re: Dooku, Mace, and Anakin Quotes

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Dooku and Mace were rough equals as Jedi, but Dooku was slightly better.

Dooku improved after leaving the Jedi Order and was above Mace in AotC.

Dooku stagnated during the Clone Wars due to political duties and whatnot.

Mace eventually became equals with Dooku during the later pars of the war.

By Revenge of the Sith, Mace (low 9, high 8) finally surpassed Dooku (8).

Sas, thoughts?


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I don't agree that Dooku somehow stagnated... There's no real reason to think that.


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Stagnated relative to other characters (Kenobi, Anakin, Mace). There's little indication or showcase of substantial growth.

Just that he started in AotC as one of the two powerhouses of the Clone Wars, but then ended in RotS as one of four.


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Hmm, yeah, his power-growth is undoubtably substantially lesser than that of Mace, Annie or Kenobi.


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Do you have a specific issue for the Galactic Files? I'm going to assume both are Legends.

So Force Collection was referring to Dooku as of AotC? Then that suggests that his growth from TPM to AotC is pretty significant, since AotC Mace > TPM Dooku as a swordsman.
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Galactic Files are trading cards.

Yeah. It was Dooku's AotC card.

quote:
AotC Mace > TPM Dooku as a swordsman.


Quote?


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Why does his AotC card feature Anakin beheading him? Most of the source talks about RotS, not AotC...

You posted it above. This one:

quote:
"Under Yoda's tutelage, Dooku became one of the greatest sword masters the Order had ever produced - eclipsed only by Mace Windu and Yoda himself."

-- The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #48


Goes up to AotC apparently, though Dooku leaves the Order in TPM and thus the quote doesn't apply to him further than that.
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http://i.imgur.com/iItlYtW.jpg

^ This is the card listed alongside the description. That's AotC Dooku.

What's the indicator that's referring up to AotC and not the TPM era, in which I'd write it off as being contradicted by others sources?

If you got one, then it seems:

RotS Mace > RotS Dooku >= AotC Dooku > AotC Mace > TPM Dooku >= TPM Mace.


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Seems like it. As for the indicator, ask someone who has the source, lol. Preferrably Myth or GreySentinel on CV.

Besides, your latest flow chart looks more reasonable than the last one.
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I'm not sure what the difference is between my "current flowchart" and my "last one," tbh.


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Fine, your latest flow chart looks reasonable enough. smile

The title had me thinking that they'd be an actual Mace quote, lol.
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Originally posted by SunRazer
Fine, your latest flow chart looks reasonable enough. smile

The title had me thinking that they'd be an actual Mace quote, lol.


Ever seen these?:

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images...3-6388294Fr.jpg
http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images...6-5864231Bk.jpg

I don't think Dooku has any quote saying he's better than Yoda. Mace does, though.

Which, again, further indicates to Mace's eventual superiority to Dooku in ROTS.


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