League of Champions Semi-Finals: #1 B-Dub/Smurph Vs. #4 Charlotte
Semi-finals Round: Planet Arrakis [from the film Dune]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrakis
Duration: Match begins Wednesday, December 3rd. For the playoffs matches will end when participants exhaust their post quotas/state they are finished debating.
#1 B-Dub/Smurph Vs. #4 Charlotte
Judges: Badabing, Citizen V, Symmetric Chaos, Darthgoober, Illadelph
B-Dub/Smurph's Opening Post
Smurph and Blair pwn Charlotte: A True Story
Team (best. names. ever.) :
Techpocalypse (Nimrod, Bedlam)
Cylock (Warlock, Cyclops)
Elixir
Prep:
Phase 1: Biological Power Up
In the past matches, Blair and I have been collecting data on DNA for a reason (using Black Box, we gained DNA from various sources). We’ve not used Elixir up until this point, but Elixir has the ability to change DNA at its core- a rather simple matter, just make a few Helicase and Ligase enzymes specific to sections of codons in DNA throughout the body, and add whichever letters are necessary. He does have the power to do it:
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Normally this would be difficult, as he doesn’t know which letters will cause awesome mutant powers and which letters will cause cancer, but we took Mr. Sinister’s knowledge of DNA and all his acquired DNA in previous rounds. Also, Elixir has gained the entire knowledge thank Hank McCoy possesses thanks to some mental downloading:
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This means that Elixir can give all the powers Mr. Sinister had himself, and all those that he experimented with- Jean Grey’s telepathy, Cyclops’ blast, X-Man’s powers, Gambits full powers to name a FEW… and we can grant them to the human, DNA-possessing members of our team. Cyclops, Bedlam and Elixir himself.
Phase 2: Technological Power Up
We then make our amalgams (Techpocalypse and Cylock), and we have Warlock infect both Techpocalypse and Elixir with the Technarchy virus while keeping our original powers. We then Technarchify them.
We then transfer all knowledge from Nimrod concerning important tech to create to both Cylock and Elixir.
We then simulate Mr. Terrific’s tech to make us invisible to tech as well as to humans (via a million holograms).
We also incorporate Ironman type tech - energy absorbing outwear, weapon systems, the whole shebang (including the black hole missile).
Phase 3: We grow big and make defenses
We then proceed to grow incredibly huge via Warlock’s powers
Battle:
We all start within .5 km of Charlotte’s team, invisible. Remember, she will be seeing millions of holograms of our team, so surprise is on our side.
We'll be able to insta-locate her. We have every type of sensory system that Nimrod, Mr. Terrific, Ironman or Reed Richards has ever developed, and we can post scans if we need to to show just how proficient those are.
We also have Bedlam's powers.
He can trace any electronic signal:
As well as any person's brain/energy:
He can also detect if we're being scanned, so either way we'll know exactly where she is and what she's doing:
We throw up some shields covering her team and ours so she can’t escape, we hit her with Bedlam’s powers (which should stop any of their tech, as well as their brains), Cyclops’ blasts at full power and Nimrod’s disintegration and sonic rays (scans for all of this later), as well as all of our telepathy/telekinesis and Gambits New Sun powers, plus massive amounts of Tony Starks and Reed Richards’ tech- specifically the energy-reducing weapon Richards used to pwn Magneto. Again, I’ll provide scans later.
Bedlams powers:
He can cover vast area with these powers at normal size- we'll be enormous:
We then hit her with a Black Hole Nuke.
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If for some reason this plan is not plausible from the get go, we can adapt much more accordingly than they can thanks to our various techshifting, and raw powers. In the end however, she will be no match for the raw power we bring to the table.
We win.
Charlotte's Opening Post (Part 1 of 2)
Team Shadowpack
Roster and fielded amalgams
Emeralda (Emma Frost\Miss Martian)
Hellion
Pythia (Faust\Oracle)
In prep area but not fielded- Professor T.O.Morrow
Prep area- classic (pre- Messiah Complex) X-Mansion (from Hellion, I’m not sure what Emma’s prep area is by now)
1-2 minutes.
Oracle and Professor T.O.Morrow amalgamate, so that everything T.O.Morrow knows is now stored in the Oracle’s perfect memory.
Emma Frost unlocks the full potential of Hellion and Miss Martian.
Emma unlocking the Hellion’s potential:
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Miss Martian and her future self are discussing her potential and power
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Evil future self forcefully unlocks part of that potential via TP (eventually that results in said future self losing its physical body)
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220272_Teen_Titans_053-15/
The confirmation of “mind over matter” thing in regards to Martian physiology- their physical prowess and overall physique depends on their psyche, so a group of White Martians can be transformed into Green ones by having their psyche altered
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1263506_RacerX-MM07-p19/
Proof of Emma’s level of expertise in removal of self-imposed psi-blockers (such as Miss Martian's). She unlocks Iceman's primary mutation which he has self-blocked- not unlike Miss Martian’s case.
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Note that particular scan:
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“Bobby hadn’t been depowered. He depowered himself." Not unlike M’gann’s case, isn’t it?
So it’s not like Emma is facing something unfamiliar there. So the unlocks won’t take too long.
Now, after unlocking, we perform a few tweaks there.
Prior to that in the tourney it were Phoenixless Jean and current Cable ending up just like Astrid Bloom in that scan- their skills and experience being assimilated:
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Now, you see, Jean and Cable are both top notch TK users with great skills and experience. What’s Hellion’s primary problem when operating on big league power levels? Lack of experience thus lack of finesse and big outbursts of raw power as pretty much the only modus operandi:
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On his “pre-amp” power level, however, he had no problem with fine control over TK.
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So…it's not technically impossible for his powers to function on fine levels. The only thing that prevents him from it in amped state is lack of experience with big leagues’ power.
So Emma just transfers the gathered lifetime experience\skillset in TK usage of Cable and Jean to Hellion, thus fixing his experience problem.
Through that transfer Hellion gains the finest kind of skills possible to keep up with the high powerlevel.
Another problem with him operating on that high level in combat is emotional overload
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To avoid the emotional overload, Emma pulls the following trick from Jean’s arsenal on amped Hellion and Miss Martian.
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To fix the problem\remove mental fatique from body adjusting to new power levels.
All that mental stuff is nearly instant so that takes 2 minutes at max.
3-4 minutes. Emma and amped Miss Martian amalgamate into Emeralda.
Oracle and Professor T.O.Morrow de-amalgamate.
Emeralda then mindlinks with Oracle.
As part of the mindsynch, Emeralda reaches out to Oracle’s memories of interacting with Martian Manhunter and White Martians at the time she was the supreme coordinator of JLA.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1261940_jla_data/
She has the perfect photographic memory, thus Emeralda can tune her now-unlocked powers according to all the showings of MM and White Martians Oracle has coordinated\witnessed.
Martians study via TP:
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Powerlevel-vise, Miss Martian was already brought to Hyperclan's level when psi-blockers were removed in the previous part of my prep. Now she's given info\skills sufficient to repeat the feats of Hyperclan guys (thus I'll be using those feats in the match later).
5-6 minutes.
Faust and Oracle amalgamate into Pythia.
From previous matches, either via hivemind\amalgamation, or via information uploaded into her perfect memory, Oracle (and thus Pythia has):
*access to the magic skillset of Zachary Zatara and Magik II
*Technological skillset of Lex Luthor and Stuart Clarke
*alchemical knowledge\swordfighting skills of Nyssa Raatko
*fighting skills of Wolverine (yes, he knows something other than just bullshido and bub-jutsu), DCAU Hawkgirl and Judomaster
It should be noted, that while Winding Way and semantic magic are the magical arts most well-developed inside specific families (Szardos and Zatara respectively), they’re taught and not some kind of inborn mutation. The only “inborn” thing is the ability to do magic, the way of casting spells is a taught thing.
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Faust has used semantic magic before and WITHOUT stealing Zatanna's powers. So he more than likely can do the tricks from Zachary's arsenal while having his skillset and memories.
Immediately after amalgamation Pythia starts practicing newly-learned spells and stuff.
Meanwhile, amped and “rewired” Hellion practices with tricks from Cable’s and Jean’s arsenal.
Just before going into the battle, Pythia casts poweramping spell on Hellion, giving him even more raw power than the amouth he has gained via powers unlocking.
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Hellion then surrounds everyone in our team in protective TK sphere.
Charlotte's Opening Post (Part 2 of 2)
In fact that match is going to be very interesting by several reasons. In fact, that's "highly immobile team vs highly mobile team".
The most movable unit in their team is Nimrod\Warlock amalgam, but their weak points are evident (especially now, when they've removed a proper grower from equation) and would be addressed in battle post.
My team's mobility, however, is top notch.
Pythia displays excellent teleporting prowess (due to Faust's teleporting capabilities+top notch thinking speed due to Oracle's genius brain).
Amped Hellion operated on Mach 60 at least (Sentinel pilots decided their sensors went haywire)
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After psi-blockers being removed, Miss Martian speed also went into the league of those peak for her species, so Emeralda is also capable to move on tourney peak movement speed.
But that's lyrics to highlight my UBER speed advantage, and then we're going to other things.
Emeralda's job
Right after appearing on the battlefield Emeralda emits omnidirectional psionic wave. The wave basically scrambles the sections of people's brains responsible for them having powers.
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Emma's shown radius of operating>>>Bedlam's shown radius of operating, so the trick is pretty safe. We're also protected in TK shield from any EMP.
Also you should note, than while both Warlock and Nimrod are immune to TP used directly on them, they can do nothing to prevent psi-powers (TP and TK) from being used AROUND them.
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That's the weak incarnation of Cable, mind you. Hellion operates on roughly the level of Cable in between of Cable 100- Cable&Deadpool #5 (sans virus but prior to gaining Deadpool's HF and becoming truly God Cable) and has FULL skillset and experience of Cable uploaded into his brain (so has Emeralda, in regards to TP).
So...everyone in your team with biological brain is now powerless and true cannon foddler.
Pythia's job
That's the backup plan for the Emeralda one.
Note that everything in there was discussed with Ill and deemed legal.
Faust can remove just specific section of person's soul, without harming it otherwise.
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He's also known to be able to access the specific fragment of the soul responsible for one having and controlling their powers (even tech-based ones like in GL case) either for stealing\copying them for himself or for transferring them somewhere else.
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Faust has shown to be able to tap souls without tactile contact.
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So what Pythia amalgam does at the very start of the battle is reaching out to opposing team's souls and tapping into the section responsible for having the powers- but not to take them for myself (possible power copying), but to delete\remove that part of the soul outright. Or we can transfer them into some sandtrouts crawling in the sand around (see Halo scan above for reference).
The ones left powerless by that move- Cyclops, Bedlam, Elixir. Possibly- Warlock, cause he has a soul\hybrid status after the very Douglock ordeal (I assume you've drafted the current version).
Hellion's job
Julian is BY FAR the fastest one in the battlefield. The movement speed for everyone is capped on Mach 10, but not the speed of attacks or telekinesis which is at least Mach 60 for the amped version.
And with that superfast TK we can toy with your weaponry whatever we like, using finesse we gained due to Cable's skillset to either redirect it back on you or dissolve it into dust.
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That's what be happening to your weapons. At Mach 60 speed, mind you (probably even higher).
There are some other points about your offense line in the match, but I'll save them for actual match posts.
Charlotte's post #1
Danm, guys, you really do make me work. I expected a bit different... and easier plan. That one has some holes to work with, though.
Some points to start the debunking from, though.
Elixir- the weapon of... WTF?
Elixir having a ton of powersets and next to none experience with that powerset= weapon of doom... for your own team. Face it, you have NOTHING to tweak experience problem...and have tried to recreate full power Gambit in prep.
The same one, who, while being horribly inexperienced in the power use (just like Elixir here😉) has the bad tradition of blowing his teammates up. And you do remember that one of the reasons for 616 Gambit to go to Sinister was killing off a few of his girlfriends due to uncontrollable powers?
So.. by all odds and means feel free to recreate him. Just makes my job easier.
Stacking a power over power of powerful telepaths don't give you sh*t performancewise, frankly. Without any experience to feed in you'll get horribly confused kid, able to perform only basic stuff with his powers.
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Even learning how to fly is hard, and you said nothing on practicing more sophisticated stuff in prep.
You'll most likely firing wildly on your teammates. Guys, you've PWNed themselves in prep with your Elixir plan.
I have some big raw power as well, but with skills to back it up. Skill is always>>raw power. 👆 for Elixir, the guy almost won the match for me on himself.
But there's also something to say about your other guys.
Phalanx and how to deal with it
Your team is infected with Phalanx. Good for you. But you do know that unlike Warlock himself, the Phalanx-altered people whom he has infected DON'T have any solid resistance from TP.
Said person getting a psionic seizure from some nobody in psi-world (nowhere near the level of psi-power I have avaliable for my team).
Even Phalanx units aren't immune to wide range mind blasts.
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The bigger we are... the weaker we are?
See, the thing is that Warlock is kinda specific kind of grower. He grows by converting energy into mass.
Given a proper energy resourse, he can grow to ridiculous sizes, that's true. But that doesn't strengthen his energy powers at the slightest. Quite the contrary, the bigger you are, the less things you can do when not backed up by proper energy reserve.
And what happens to him when he exhaust his energy reserve but needs to stay gigantic? Several TK blasts were enough to PWN him. He becomes VERY fragile in that state.
Arms race- limited to actual arms?
You counted soo much on Warlock's overrated technomorphing capabilities in a few previous rounds. But you've forgot a few other things.
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Even at his very best (New Mutants Annual #3) Warlock has never created any working technology physically independent from his own body.
Your event horizon missle is a warhead of a missle, guys. A missle you'll never have a chance to build (cause Nimrod has never created complicated tech separable from his body).
Not to say we can redirect it with utter ease, in fact going by the scan description the "blackhole missle" is not that powerful and has the area effect of regular nuke (was promoted as ecologically-friendly nuke for US army).
In fact, even if you by some miracle can build it, we have more than enough TK potential to compensate the effect. Julian has compensated the effects of flying at Mach 60 (!) in the lower layers of atmosphere. Unprotected unit in thick atmospthere gets broken\melted into incoherent particles on that speed, but he kept himself, X-23 and surrounding area just fine with subconscious TK manipulation.
Also, not all the tech you're building is homogenous\mechanical. Some needs to have their components altered. Can Phalanx provide needed material backup? The answer is "no", I'm afraid.
Phalanx has the habit of turning working things into non-working, not wise versa. The girl in the scan is Phalanx-infected, just like the rest of your team. So.. no uber tech-building for you, guys. Kiss that single strategy goodbye.
Your invisibility
You proud yourself on your invisibility, hovewer, you themselves have ruined it. How?
You have amalgamated in the way every your member has a soul. My soul-stripping plan works just fine, and I'll also be able to see your souls.
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The holograms don't have any souls and will be ignored.
BTW, while talking about your souls... I can strip you of fragments of them with ridiculous ease.
Pythia thinking speed is top notch, computer-level calculations in seconds.
And on that thinking speed, thinking of a proper magic manipulation would be a piece of cake. Magic manip that leaves your depowered, and since I'll be simply removing the fragments of your soul, not tapping into them to take them, no ridiculous BS about powercopying can be brought into that match.
Nimrod
While we're on that, can't resist urge to throw something interesting into there.
Nimrod isn't as adaptive as they seem to think. Well, he has some preset weaponry configurations to deal with the most common mutant powersets- in fact, the number of "important" powersets a mutant can have is fairly limited, and a vast- really vast database on every significant mutant unit of set time period- he's from the future and that's no wonder.
Examples of said database.
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When he meets an "abnormality" not included in database...well, he fails to evolve on the spot, he's no Darwin. Team Smurph overuses the "molecular control" part there, however all he did with it was an attempt to heal, not to evolve anything against something as basic as teleporter with superstrength. Not the most exotic powerset ever, guys?
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Not quite the uber technomorph, but a guy who has a few basic configurations installed and a database to manage them. And still failed to create technology independent from his actual body (that's why 50% of your stuff is impossible\not working).
Post #2 (basically an addition and clarification to the first one)
I should remember to stop writing tourney rebuttals when sleepy\early in the morning. I've omitted some really vital parts.
First, Elixir
I've already pointed out that particular part of your plan as dangerous to the point of being suicidal. However, that's even worse- it's NOT WORKING properly from any POV.
See, all the people you want to gain powers from are classified as mutants, homo superior. They all gain their powers- within all their diversity- from a single part of DNA sequence known colloqually as X-Gene. That's it, one particular locus- with difference in one or two genes.
However, the thing is, Elixir is also a homo superior. And he also posesses that particular locus- codifying his own powers. ANY alterations performed on that locus- you want to codify multiple superpowers of the same origin, confined to the same locus (X-gene) and different only by one or two genes, to the same genome, remember- would lead to potential overlap, not power stacking, AND Elixir losing his very own powers in the first place.
Whenever we see him manipulating DNA, we see him altering the things that have nothing to do with X-Gene. He can restore genetic damage, that's it. But the stuff you want him to do will basically let to self-destructing one's X-Gene, as it's impossible to "stock" genes confined to one locus.
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Here's an example of his manipulation level. He gets nowhere near X-Gene\X-locus, as altering it would be fatal to his own powers. Altering phenotype\appearance, yet getting nowhere near the power alteration.
Had the people whose genes you're using get their powers in different ways\have them codified in different DNA sequences, the plan could have worked. However, they all are mutants and have their powers confined to the one genetic sequence\locus- X-gene. Elixir also posesses the X-Gene, and ANY alteration of his own (and that's what your team suggests) would result in him GETTING DEPOWERED or getting random powerset which overwrites his own (remember, the same locus\genetic sequense) and which he has ZERO experience with.
So much for that tactic, guys...moving on.
Phalanx assimilation...or ASSimilation?
To begin with, there are some vital points to hit there. I've already touched the power source problem. Here's the other scan reinforcing that.
So, 1000 ft tall giants firing all kinds of weaponry and erecting superstrong forcefields aren't going to happen. Not enough energy for that, guys, plain and simple. You either stay big or have weapon configurations, not both together (and you still can't create any weaponry physically independent from your own body).
Also, you talk about infecting your guys with transmoding virus. However, it was stated by Warlock that transmode virus can't infect inanimate\non-biological objects. And you have pretty much non-biological Nimrod, who's essentially a piece of tech, just like Cerebro unit, shown in the scan above.
By trying to infect Nimrod you guys pretty much bought him one way ticket to scrapheap, congratulations!!!
Transmoding the tech by infecting is Phalanx' common way to battle\destroy it.
Or for more reference- here's Bastion (basically spiced up version of your guy) getting PWNed that way.
You could have escaped that either by straight amalgamation or by structural blending (see Praxagora case in Annihilation for reference, I think that's what you'll be trying to use to escape my point about Nimrod being succesfully infected) but the first didn't happen and the second requre lab and much more prep time than your team got.
Another thing you need to remember is when someone gets transmodded, his initial biological powers are cut off in 99% of cases due to different cellular structure.
So AT BEST my team is facing a few generic Phalanx units\drones WITHOUT access to any substantial energy reserve.
Some more points
I know there's a yawn-festy scanblitz of plotdevice stuff coming forth, I've dealt with some of pre-requisites for that (or impossibility of those pre-requisites, more likely) in advance, but I'll touch quite a few more things.
Some of your plot device stuff is just that... a plot device stuff. For example, your prized electronic converter. It was build specifically to combat Magneto, that's it... and it makes it utterly useless piece of tech for anyone not using electromagnetic powers.
Sonic Shark aka Big LOL. Probably the most overrated piece of technology at KMC. Apart from being slow as shit (classic Human Torch who maxed out around Mach 1 has no troubles keeping up with it), it's build specifically to drain Power Cosmic. Now name me an individual in my team who's powered by Power Cosmic?
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Note- the 1st scan may not work due to server problem, however judges (mostly Goober who has posted those scans originally) are familiar with those. If needed the working version would be reposted.
Some amplifying sh*t they'll most sure try to use to overcome their energy problem.
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Well, with your team's inability to create the complicated tech independent from your own bodies that will come to the proverbial wolf eating his own guts in order to survive (the thing still needs energy to work, you need energy to stay big and to be able to morph etc). Utterly useless piece of crap.
You have no extra energy to add into equation and going by how Warlock's powers work, you won't be getting it.
I purposely ignore some more specific crap like sensors, magic inhibitors etc going by Warlock's on-panel inability to create anything more complicated that simple mechanics and Nimrod's on-panel inability to "evolve" his already inbuid sensors\inhibitors to deal with pretty basic target- superstrong teleporter. However, if Smurph would insist, I'll post my comments on that part of his scanblitz.
I'm playing a bit of pre-cog there, since that scanblitz is the same from match to match and it becomes really, really predicable. I think the same scans would be posted once again.
Charlotte's post #3
Above I've dealed with why ALL energy-consuming stuff can be pretty much brought out of play for team B-Dub- they simply won't have any energy sourse to power up all their various tech (specifically stuff like Class 4 Disintegrator, which needs to be installed on kind of starship or something). No herald busting weapons for you, darlings. Sonics are also pretty much ruled out of equation, as my team's mobility>>>speed of sound. So your anti-Juggs sonic blast=useless thingy.
That's providing they find a way around other various problems such as tricky assimilation of inorganics.
However, that's all for now about their team, now let's talk about mine.
We begin with Hellion
Some forcefield feats- not amped version there, mind you.
Big explosion created by Nimrod
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Disintegrator ray of said Nimrod- the one you're hyping up soo much, guys.
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That's not amped version of Hellion here, and the energy output of Nimrod wasn't amped in the slightest from what you've done in prep (Phalanx is really energy-comsuming stuff, you know). So the initial TK shieding would be more than enough to take your blasts (the amp\power unlocking wastly increased Julian's powers).
Shields the Blackbird with his forcefields as it crashes through the caved in sealed off cliffside tunnel, of about a mile and half in length.
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Flies through the hellfire explosion created by Belasco
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmenkryptoniawezzdcpxv5.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmenkryptoniawezzdcpsd0.jpg
If that's normal levels, then what's the capability in ridiculously amped state?
Add to that Cable's experience\skillset.
In fact, with amped power and the finest skillset possible (Cable= the best\most experienced TK user in Marvel) we can do our own version of stasis field...and unlike in the case of your team we'll only need that for a while.
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/573/cable03009ay3.jpg
We also have access to the finest TK skillset allowing to apply telekinesis down to molecular level.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1437/cable10716xc6.jpg
Manipulating the air within the battlefield
Manipulating one's own body structure:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6007/soldierxv200616rougheryq7.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/958/soldierxv200617roughergp1.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6626/soldierxv200619rougheryw9.jpg
Size manipulation.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2343/soldierxv200716roughertg2.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2116/soldierxv200717rougherxz9.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7125/soldierxv200718rougherwb9.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7489/soldierxv200719rougherht8.jpg
DNA alteration
Or just merely dissolving your weaponry into dust as shown above. We have herald-ranked power level and skill level to match it.
Pythia stuff
Our Faust\Oracle amalgam has access to skills of Zachary Zatara and Magik II to add to her\his own skillset.
That means very advanced teleportation tricks
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur08412qa5.jpg
Magik II is able to teleport on reflex, without any time consuming gestures- a single thought is all that's needed.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124737_Excalibur_076_p09/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1124740_Excalibur_076_p16/
Teleporting range while with passengers. From USA to Bavaria into second. We can "jump" a continent away from you if needed. And that's instantly, going by the scan above and Pythia's more than formidable thinking speed.
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dimensiondumptj6.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dimensiondump2le3.jpg
http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dimensiondump3bq9.jpg
Faust's own teleporting prowess. Combined with our ability to put your weaponry in stasis for at least a few seconds (we won't need more there)... well, we can simply dump all your external weaponry (providing you CAN build one, despite scans posted above causing serious doubt in that regard) in another dimension.
There's also funny thing such as transmutation. With all the skillsets Pythia posessess nothing stops her\him from transmuting the air around your team into adamantium\promethium.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993062_01/
And the last but not the least- our wonderful Emeralda
See, with removed psi-blockers she has all the abilities of peak Martian speciperson.
That incluses speed
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6514/flash1xy0.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5810/flash2ye7.jpg
Powerful blasts of raw psionic energy
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic100.jpg
In addition to eyebeams.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993268_06/
Which due to amp moved pretty close to THAT:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic118.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic119.jpg
Strength moved close in the range of that
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic122.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic123.jpg
There's also always an option of going into diamond form. That doesn't scramble passive psionic powers as shown there:
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gsastonishingxmen01010eh8.jpg
And again there:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx3_L6L0
So basically there's Emeralda's full powerset avaliable to her in diamond form, minus offensive TP which won't be needed too much after opening seconds of the battle.
Just how durable said diamond form is?
It allowed Emma to survive the destruction of Genosha which means a few things.
The radiation levels off the charts
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen116023fu2.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen13216kr5.jpg
Cassandra Nova's nanosentinels assimilating everything in sight- not unlike Phalanx, in fact even better
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pagesfromsentinelsquadoer4.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen11420aa2.jpg
Reflecting\redirecting energy attacks (such as Cyclops' eyebeams)
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page06xmen188qk1.jpg
And more interesting stuff...
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Summary:
In fact, my prep was nothing exotic\reaching.
The psi-blockers removal was actually shown on panel.
Skillsets transfer=instant and perfect.
I had 4 minutes of spare time to get those skills in tune with powerlevels (not actually needed when I have FULL memories\experience).
The opposing team pretty much handicapped themselves by going into energy-consuming Phalanx route.
That was proven with multiple scans.
Their Elixir feat is also dubious as you've only shown (and it was the only thing shown on panel) him tweaking with phenotype\appearance stuff (skin colour, eyesight)- even with Beast's experience.
The thing that he can alter his own X-Gene to the point of multiple overlaps and it still would be working somehow is... pretty much stretching it.
However, it's up to judges, whether they believe random scanblitzes or the things that actually work.
Charlotte's wasted multiple posts on multiple misconceptions: A True Story
So far Charlotte's only strategy has been to pile on irrelevant scans with negligible points that are easily defendable, and to hope that if she fills post after post with these mistruths, then hopefully we'll be too swamped to respond.
Lulz. We're seed #1 for a reason.
In these posts, I’ll deal with her misconceptions with our prep. Afterwards, I’ll deal with why her own prep is fail.
Misconception 1: We won't have energy for Warlock to grow with.
This is as good a place to start as any, on one of the most ridiculous assertions.
First off, you forget all the technology we have- Ironman alone has created systems capable of recharging faster than nearly any other armor in comics.
Secondly, with all the powers we have, we don't actually need to rely on tech for energy resources. We have New Sun Gambit, named so because he was able to replicate a sun's energy.
Perhaps most prominently though, we have Cyclops.
Each of our team members have Cyclops' powers, and that gives us access to an unlimited supply of energy- enough to satisfy the Phoenix.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/scottemma.jpg
This is the kicker point though- we don't even need extra energy once we're fully grown. Nimrod has all of that energy himself. What we're doing by amalgamating a phalanxed person with Nimrod is combining Warlock's natural energies with Nimrod's. Nimrod's energies alone are enough to actually make the tech in question, and Warlock's are substantial enough to grow- at full power we'd actually have plenty left over from Warlock alone. Left up to the rules that define complete amalgamation, we have everything we need from each of the characters in the amalgam- so given that Nimrod has enough energy to make the tech that he needs, combined with Warlock's body which can make the tech that he needs, combined with Warlock's energy that can supersize the tech that he makes, there's really no room for error here.
The fact that I should even need to bring up our infinite reservoirs of energy with the mutant powers is somewhat absurd.
Misconception #2: Phalanx virus won't work on our amalgams
Charlotte claims some shite about Techpocalypse being harmed by the transmode virus, and backs this up with scans of the transmode virus being used to destroy some tech- but in those very same scans, it's stated that the phalanx is trying to get a hold of Ironman's armor to transform it- meaning that it clearly converts tech, as we’ve been saying, not destroys it.
And Techpocalypse is actually far closer to a cyborg than a robot, as Nimrod's amalgamated with a living human being that has the means to instantly recreate Nimrod's body once he's Phalanx. Techy would still have Nimrod's mind, so it would really be an instantaneous process. Point moot either way.
Finally, the transmode virus actually works more like a Star Trek replicator if it wants to with tech, via absorbing the tech, then becoming capable of reproducing it at will.
As for all the other characters losing their powers when they become amalgamated- lulz? Charlotte claims this without any proof, when there's plenty to go against it. Just look at Nova's latest solo series- when infected by Phalanx, Gamora, Drax and Nova all keep their powers, which were all innate. Gamora had a cosmic makeover done on her body courtesy of Adam Warlock that made her so powerful. Drax was engineered at a cellular level to be a weapon to kill Thanos. Nova had the entire Nova force downloaded into his body.
They ALL kept their powers.
And even if they didn't?
We've got the most powerful mutant in the whole tourney at our finger tips- Elixir can affect organics in any way he chooses or we dictate. We can even take over for him, and have Nimrod do the handy work… meaning we can carefully preserve the x-gene if we so choose. Which we do.
Misconception #3: We can’t grant powers
Charlotte claims that the X-Gene can’t be altered because it just can’t. She says adding mutations will cause the originals to malfunction, because there’s only one locus.
But there’s no reason that we can’t just add letters to that locus. Scientists do it all the time via adding a vector and enzymes that can “cut” a strand of DNA, input a set of letters (A, C, T or G) into a locus and then “glue” the strand of DNA back together (cutting and glue-ing done via enzymes, like Ligase). The letters are transcribed to the RNA, and translated into proteins to make new cells- in this case, superpowered cells.
This treatment is used to help out real life humans, though is still new tech because scientists are hesitant to add anything that could result in being carcinogenic or something similar. But we only need the locus’ altered for a couple minutes-long time period, and we have a character that can circumvent something like Cancer popping up as a side effect- Elixir himself just created a tumor in someone’s brain (X-Factor #8/9). Not that cancer would be an actual threat here, but there’s no reason we couldn’t deal with any minor changes.
If Charlotte was correct in saying that there could only be one mutation that the X-Gene dictates, there would be no characters in the X-Men that have developed secondary mutations. But we see it all the time- Warpath, Iceman, Beast, etc. We’d also see no mutants that had two completely unrelated powers- but look at Emma Frost. Look at Wolverine, Sage, and Nightcrawler. Even Magneto has developed latent psychic powers.
The remaining question is to simply ask- who says we know enough to be able to do it? But we have the entire genetic knowledge and library of perhaps the most infamous and prolific geneticist in comics- Mr. Sinister. The man who has personally studied every character whose powers we’ve added to our own, and who has given himself genetic powers based on the mutants’ years before the world had even come around to the idea of DNA. I asked a local X-Men fanatic why he hadn’t simply given himself the DNA that he wanted so badly from Jean and Cyclops, and I was told it was simply PIS.
Misconception #4: We can’t create tech independent from our body
In a former match, we gained the entire mechanical detail, blueprints and all relevant knowledge pertaining to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livewires_(comic)
The Livewires have a number of useful members and powers, and are all entirely tech based, but our primary reason for grabbing them was to get the abilities of Stem Cell.
Stem Cell was built to have a nanofactory instead of a stomach. She thinks of any tech, she can throw it up. We wanted the livewires specifically to circumvent the idea that Nimrod and Warlock can’t create tech independent from their body- even though Nimrod makes tech that fires all the time, loans independent tech to others, and the Phalanx take over technology and leave it independent from them whenever they infect a planet… obviously, our competitors would still find ways to whine and try to poke holes in our argument. So we got Stem Cell’s powers- Stem Cell can make any tech she wants independent from her body.
Charlotte claims that Warlock doesn’t have the ability to make any advanced tech, but this is a blatant lie- he’s created a spaceship with working warp drive capabilities, which is ridiculously far more advanced than anything we want.
Anyways, her whole argument is moot. We can create anything we want and fire as many as we want at her. If this is the point that she hopes will stand between us and victory, she’s got another thing coming.
Now, I deal with two more concerning us, and a whole list of why her prep is fail.
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Misconception #5: She’s going to be able to deflect a Black Hole Missile
She hopes to be able to deflect a black hole nuke back at us with her overhyped TK.
But she won’t even see a nuke.
She won’t see any of our tech. She’s already admitted that the only thing that has a hope of seeing us (as we’re blocked from her view by millions of holograms that we created earlier, and we’re invisible to all eyes and technology) is Faust’s ability to see souls.
But missiles don’t have souls.
Souls are not in any of the tech we’ve got at our disposal, and will thusly be completely invisible to her- she’ll be thinking she’s managing to hold her own in the battle, then her team will be destroyed by a black hole that she can’t see coming, shield against, or hope to avoid in any manner possible. And we’ll watch and laugh.
Misconception #6: We won’t be able to control our own powers
Once again, Charlotte forgets who we have on our team. She seems to believe we won’t be able to control our power output once we have the powers of New Sun, X-Man, etc.
But we have Elixir… if there’s any issues with power output, or power levels being too high, he can dampen them in seconds. Or Nimrod can take control of him, now that he’s a tech being (Phalanx), and use his powers.
Nimrod can actually use his technopathy to control all of our team at once if he deems it necessary… he can cyber-control all of the team because everyone is now phalanx.
He was able to take control of Forges tech eg His defence robots and building.
Or Nimrod could use the telepathy that he now has.
This is a character that designs new powers and weapons that he should have for every scenario and uses them with perfect accuracy and power output- he develops super magnetism on the fly, and can target everything with control as if he’d been practicing for years. He’s programmed for optimal adaptability and to manipulate mutant powers as best as possible, so us amalgamating him with someone who’s just received a ridiculous amount of power with little training works in our favor perfectly. The fact that he now has multiple means to control the other teammates works even better- the perfect combination.
There’s a reason we still have Nimrod around.
Misconception #7: Ms. Martian is gonna be any more powerful than she normally is
Charlotte seems to think that Emma Frost can unlock a secondary mutation in Ms. Martian and teach her some new tricks that will result in something extraordinary.
In order to back up the claim about the secondary mutation, she provided us with this scan- http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220084_11-12/
All the scan shows is that Ms. Martian holds back and doesn’t know how to use her power…
Is Emma Frost gonna unlock some “secondary mutation” in Cyclops by making him stop wearing a visor?
Lulz.
Charlotte wrote a bunch of paragraphs and provided us with more irrelevant scans to basically say that Ms. Martian is an utter noob with her powers. Emma ain’t gonna help that.
The other thing that Charlotte claimed made me lol really hard- she said that because martians study through telepathy, and Oracle had communicated with some telepathically, she could relate what she had seen and her telepathic communication to Ms. Martian, who could then somehow gain all those other martians powers because Oracle had possibly seen those powers happening.
Martians study through telepathy (apparently, though the scans that she provided to back this up didn’t relate at all), and humans study through sight/sound/touch… judges, if you see a Jet Li action movie, do you reckon you could perform all of his stunts?
What if you simply talked to somebody who had seen the movie? Could you then fight like Jet Li?
Because Charlotte’s claiming that by communicating with someone who had seen the white martians, Ms. Martian can gain their skills.
LMAO.
Misconception #8: Mach 60 TK ftw
This was one of the funniest utter defiance of physics that I’ve seen in a tourney.
Charlotte claims this:
Hellion, at full potential, managed to fly at Mach 60 (let’s say that she’s right, I really don’t care) in what was effectively a straight line
Hellion, at full potential, didn’t have precise control of his telekinesis.
Cable does have precise control of his telekinesis.
Cable + Hellion therefore can move at Mach 60 with precise control.
This is the first major lulz. Apparently we’re supposed to believe that because Cable, moving at a human’s speed, is a more capable telekinetic than Hellion, Cable will possess Superman’s reflexes and guide them perfectly while moving at Mach 60…
Hellion managed to give himself an incalculable horizontal velocity. Cable managed to deflect a missile while he was sitting down. Therefore Cable could guide himself at Mach 60? What the ****?
Here’s the second major lulz:
Charlotte admits that the tourney is capped at Mach 10 movement, but that Cable + Hellion will somehow only move at Mach 10 but have Mach 60 telekinesis that will allow them to dismantle tech faster than we can register.
So, you see, not only does Charlotte claim that Hellion can guide himself at max movement, she seems to blatantly think that Cable can think at Mach 60 speeds that will allow him to dismantle tech faster than anyone else.
Somehow, she connects Hellion being able to propel himself in a straight line to Cable being able to think 30x faster than modern day technology.
The actual result would be that if Hellion even got any of Cable’s skill, he would simply have greater power output than his normal showings, with however much of Cable’s ability he got that applies here. Speed would in no way be a factor, because amalgamating someone who could move extremely fast with someone who has good control while sitting still does not mean that they could exercise the same amount of control in an infinitesimally smaller fraction of time. A person who can run at light speed in a straight line, and who learns from a friend how to dismantle a car, does not mean they could dismantle a car at light speed.
Misconception #9: They’ll hit us before we hit them
We’re equipped with the fastest processing in the whole tourney. Nimrod is a character that counters Kitty’s phasing in a panel, and comes up with weapons to overcome Juggernaut’s durability in milliseconds. His reactions are top notch, and they’re the reason that we’ll be striking long before they hit us. At giant sizes, we can easily hit them with Bedlam’s energy (remember, Nimrod + Bedlam = Techpocalypse) and knock them out at the very beginning of the match. We’ll simultaneously hit them with all of our telepathy, telekinesis, energy powers, sonic disruptors, etc. That’s already a win for us. But even pretending that it isn’t, after we hit them with that, we can closely follow up with a full power blast from a giant Cyclops… Scott’s full power has never been seen on panel, but this is a guy who can easily overload Bishop for kicks. I’ll post scans later.
We’ll be hitting them so hard from the get go that they won’t have time to even think about a counter attack.
Moving on…
Misconception #10: Their TK and TP will somehow work in proximity to us
Originally posted by illadelph12
Also you should note, than while both Warlock and Nimrod are immune to TP used directly on them, they can do nothing to prevent psi-powers (TP and TK) from being used AROUND them.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/X-Force36p10.jpg
That's the weak incarnation of Cable, mind you. Hellion operates on roughly the level of Cable in between of Cable 100- Cable&Deadpool #5 (sans virus but prior to gaining Deadpool's HF and becoming truly God Cable) and has FULL skillset and experience of Cable uploaded into his brain (so has Emeralda, in regards to TP).
So, here, Charlotte’s either posting scans without bothering to check the context, or she’s outright lying. Because that isn’t Nimrod.
That is a very early prototype robot that would one day lead to the creation that is the Nimrod that I drafted- it didn’t come from the same era of time, and only appeared in one issue of X-Force, I believe. I read the issue, I’ve posted scans from it in Domino’s respect thread, and I know what I’m referring to.
So for Charlotte to imply that that’s Nimrod without providing context is a blatant mistruth.
Here, Nimrod blocks out Rachel Grey’s telepathy with a widespread psionic inhibitor field
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1585/uxm194page18xs2.jpg
It says in this instance that he didn’t block her tk, but there’s no reason he can’t.
If Charlotte continues to act as if she has telepathy, or acts as if we can’t shut down her TK, I’ll go in to the other tech that we have.
Misconception #11- Faust can remove our powers
First of all, they’ll be dead before they think to remove our powers as we’ll be blasting them with far more than they could hope to shield against.
Secondly, Faust has never been shown to use any sort of soul magic without at least being extremely close to the person in question, and quite often requiring touching them. Needless to say, with us capable of list after list of shields and blasts, all great in power, he’s not getting anywhere near us.
When he needed to take Kyle and Flash’s powers, he required touching them.
When he needed to take the Kobra lizard’s appearance, he required touching him.
When he needed to tap Zatanna’s soul, he needed to get into her cell in Arkham, beside her bed.
When he sucked the Kobra soldier’s soul out, he was only feet away.
I can go on, but the point is Faust has never had any soul magic where he’s not extremely close to the subject. They have no such luck.
Misconception #12: They can TK shield against Bedlam’s powers
Bedlam uses his powers without putting them into a ray or a beam or a blast. He can affect things long range, just by thinking about them.
Demonstrates this with a helicopter:
And with a human brain (showing that we can actually shut off your powers far sooner than you would even attempt to shut off ours):
And none of that was in any form that could be defended against via TP or TK… not that I’m convinced that Hellion has the ability to defend against a special biological EMP like what Bedlam emits.
Besides, your shields will be torn to shit by our top notch Cyclops blasts, New Sun blasts, Nimrod blasts, Reed/Tony/Mr. Terrific/Livewires tech, etc.
So, our attacks are coming at you faster and stronger than what you’re using. We’re hitting sooner, we’ve got vastly more power, and we have attacks that completely neutralize you that you can’t defend against. We’re immune to your best shots and we’re far more durable and heal better.
And we’ve got incredible amounts of power. We can release blasts that equal a sun in power. You have nothing on us.
Lulz at Smurph's "list of misconceptions"
Energy problem
Still alive and well. In fact, I anticipated you trying to use Cyclops as battery. But... that's badly executed battery.
First of all, satisfactory for Phoenix (for whatever reasons- I smell PIS there)=\=satisfactory for transmode process. It's not like you can prove that transmode process can be powered by gravitons.
One PIS scan based on Cyclops\Jean thing=\= anything satisfactory there.
Powers
First mine. Aka dealing with retarded denial of what was shown on panel.
Darling, WTF is "secondary mutation"? I was talking about full potential- look at that scan.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220272_Teen_Titans_053-15/
Said potential was PARTIALLY unlocked on panel- already.
The scan you've given such a retarded interpretation says that she has "troubles to embrace her warrior personality" AKA purposely holds back. NOWHERE does it say about troubles with control.
Moving on. Julian.
Hellion, at full potential, managed to fly at Mach 60 (let’s say that she’s right, I really don’t care) in what was effectively a straight line
Hellion, at full potential, didn’t have precise control of his telekinesis.
Cable does have precise control of his telekinesis.
Cable + Hellion therefore can move at Mach 60 with precise control.This is the first major lulz. Apparently we’re supposed to believe that because Cable, moving at a human’s speed, is a more capable telekinetic than Hellion, Cable will possess Superman’s reflexes and guide them perfectly while moving at Mach 60…
There's when I LOLd at Smurph's desperate attempts to make my strategy seem inplaysible.
What's the speed of reflexes of your average, run on the mill TK user (aka Psylocke pre-recurrestion)? You'd be surprised, guys.
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg
Speed of thought of your average TK user=speed of light. Psylocke. From the times she had troubles picking coins from the ground. Nowhere near the level of Cable's finesse.
Flight in the straight line- if you wish to see it that way.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newxmen31030xl7.jpg
He clearly maneures without losing speed. If he could lift truck from the ground while STILL moving on the speed beyond the level of perception Sentinels' sensors posess... with "control panel" of his brain rewired to Cable's standart (current Cable, with full lifetime of expreience, including Godlike period) redirecting your missles towards you would be still very valid thing.
With Cable's skillset, fast multitasking=no problem. He's the best telekinetic in comics when it comes to multitasking.
Your plan- aka why patching loopholes with your fingers suck
Elixir part.
You've never shown how exactly would you avoid overlapping genes except for the part of causing yourself extreme genetic damage.
Also, Sinister's and Beast's experience is all fine and dandy, but both of them took YEARS to decypher one single genome. All the Elixir has done so far on panel was either altering phenotype (appearance) (golden skin) or curing inborn defects (cancer, myopic sight).
Saying he'll perfectly give himself 10+ powers while never operating before (even with Beast's skillset) on such level= WTF? Also proof that he can add extra genes to the locus without damaging DNA structure?
Knowledge on genetics, and experience on manipulating his powers are two separate things. The situation would be no different then Firestorm with Martin Stein, applying his thermodynamic know how on Firestrom power set. Yet, he still needs to go through the ups and downs of Firestorm power set to know what he can or cant do. Your team does not have such luxury within 10 minutes.
Instead of awesome powers you'll likely get heavily damaged DNA stucture. Just because there are mutants who posess more than one "mutation", doesn't mean that writing different samples of X-Gene into one sample without previous experience of doing anything like that (he did pretty simple things before even with Beast's skillset).
Phalanx part.
Since I don't believe Cyclops powering you up ridiculously (Phoenix=\=Phalanx by any weird leap of logic), Nimrod infected by transmode virus still dies.
Bastion was a cyborg and that's what happened to him when he was infected by transmode virus:
Results. The only one of your amalgams that's working is Warlock\Bedlam which is nowhere near the level of scariness you want to seem. That's basically Warlock with EMP-generating powers, not scary at all.
Livewire tech
Tell me, darlings, where the f*ck you got is from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livewires_(comic)
First, Steam Cell physiology doesn't=Nimrod's or Warlock's by any leap of logic.
Second, Livewires only appeared in one 6 issue-long mini and aren't legal in the tourney. I don't get how you get'em, those are illegal, and using Steam Cell's physiology to justify Nimrod's or Warlock's, neither of which posess similiar powers= pretty much retarded.
Neiter Nimrod nor Warlock can't replicate Steam Cell's physiology to begin with- we're arriving to the same "Wolf eating their own guts" paradox.
Their bodies are nowhere near advanced for the level of building nanofactories inside them. If they were, they wouldn't have had problems with creating external tech to begin with.
LOL at Smurph's "logic" there.
Bastion taking technopathic control over Elixir
That's provided transmoded Elixir (or anyone) still has those mutant powers, as transmoding means actual alteration of cellular structure so there won't be any mutated DNA to begin with.
That's provinding Nimrod survives being transmoded (scans above). And Nimrod's level of control\familiarity with those powers roughly=Elixirs and roughly=zero.
Blocking psionic powers
That's pretty much retarded. Nimrod can defend himself against TK attack and NOT NULLIFY it (scans above in my post #3, where he compensates for it), telepathy doesn't work on him cause he's a freakin' ROBOT, that's all. Telepathy never worked on robots, on cyborgs, on the other hand... well, you themselves assumed that your guys are cyborgs, not robots.
While Rachel had troubles affecting Nimrod with TP (which is obvious as he's robot), she had no troubles throwing a building on him- he survived that.
Blackhole bomb
Since there's no Livewire technologies for you (or rather Warlock and Nimrod being unable to replicate Livewires' powers, not having build-in nanofactories and not having feats of recreating anything remotely similiar to one), that bomb is almost as fantasy as my odds of having sex with real life version of Dante Sparda.
To quote Digi in parallel match:
Originally posted by DigiMark007Black Hole. Of Logic
The black hole device, by their own scan, requires a fission reactor, which includes far more exotic materials than some metal. Do they have atomic matter manipulation skills in that amalgam to go with the already-ludicrous techno-morphing?
Still no way around energy crisis for your team. Elixir and Nimrod things are based off contradictory desperation.
My team works smoothly (except maybe soul-ripping part, but seeing MAJOR ELEPHANT-SIZED loopholes in your own plans, I don't need it).
By the way, the horrible ridiculous idea of controlling unfamiliar mutant powers via technoorganics is... just that, horrible ridiculous idea.
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd182005streetsamuraidcwq2.jpg
See, technoorganics (such as Phalanx) are setting up major conflicts with mutant powers.
So by attempting to get said powers under control by the means of Phalanx you'll only screw up the things even more.
Just because Elixir is labeled as "omega level mutant" doesn't make him sturdy vessel for handing all those ridiculous amouths of power. And your examples of "multiple powers" are at best one psionic and one physical power per character, two powersets, not a ton of those.
Just adding on genes on top of your own genome would turn you into some genetic abomination. If anything, it would kill you. So far all that Elixir did was reconfiguring abnormalities, not adding weird stuff on top of the genome. That part of your prep fails.
Building nanofactory without nanotech to get said nanotech to construct tech is so retardingly illogical I won't even debate that. Nimrod has never created anything outside of his basic pre-installed configuration, even Omega Sentinel had feats to provbe herself as technomorph (turned into life support system). Under that logic we can label ANY cyborg with any sort of retractable weaponry and analytical DB as technomorph... hell, Digi's Minion would be a technomorph under that logic.
Warlock has also never created any complex tech out of his body... and you talk NANOFACTORY.
Cyclops blasts as "food" for Phoenix says nothing, so far we haven't seen Phalanx absorb\powerup from anything remotely resembling that. That OOZES of desperation, darling.
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That's all for me now, I'll see if I'll be able to post tomorrow.
Might as well post something right? BTW, having to read the scans and noticing that what you say about them and what is actually in them have no correlation is annoying. Just thought Id put that out there.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Energy problemStill alive and well. In fact, I anticipated you trying to use Cyclops as battery. But... that's badly executed battery.
First of all, satisfactory for Phoenix (for whatever reasons- I smell PIS there)=\=satisfactory for transmode process. It's not like you can prove that transmode process can be powered by gravitons.One PIS scan based on Cyclops\Jean thing=\= anything satisfactory there.
Cyclops, New Sun Gambit, Bedlam, ect ect. We have multiple ways of powering ourselves up in terms of internal power sources.
We ALSO have the tech savvy of Mr. Terrific, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, and even Mr. Sinister. Our tech sifting abilities allow us to create energy devices capable of using our internal power sources.
You really believe that we have no way of powering ourselves? You are so focused on one person in our amalgam that you are not noticing the benefits they synergisticly give each other.
PowersFirst mine.
The scan you've given such a retarded interpretation says that she has "troubles to embrace her warrior personality" AKA purposely holds back. NOWHERE does it say about troubles with control.
However, what you are suggesting is that Oracle and Emma will be able to help her unleash her warrior side.....because Oracle interacted with White Martians? You know how absurd that sounds? 😑
Like you said, moving on.
Moving on. Julian.There's when I LOLd at Smurph's desperate attempts to make my strategy seem inplaysible.
What's the speed of reflexes of your average, run on the mill TK user (aka Psylocke pre-recurrestion)? You'd be surprised, guys.
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Speed of thought of your average TK user=speed of light. Psylocke....with "control panel" of his brain rewired to Cable's standart (current Cable, with full lifetime of expreience, including Godlike period) redirecting your missles towards you would be still very valid thing.
With Cable's skillset, fast multitasking=no problem. He's the best telekinetic in comics when it comes to multitasking.
First off, using Psylocke in a match that has nothing to do with her? Not smart. Second, taking that scan to mean that it translates to reflexes is absurd.
Second, she seems to think she has all the skills of Cable and Jean Grey because she "assimilated" them from a former match... but I really don't think that Emma would be able to overcome Cable and Jean Grey's mental defenses to the point where she could assimilate their entire skill set in the couple minutes she's given. Anyone else call BS on that?
Your plan- aka why patching loopholes with your fingers suckElixir part.
You've never shown how exactly would you avoid overlapping genes except for the part of causing yourself extreme genetic damage.Also, Sinister's and Beast's experience is all fine and dandy, but both of them took YEARS to decypher one single genome.
Knowledge on genetics, and experience on manipulating his powers are two separate things.
Ok, so you know who Mr. Sinister is right? You know that he has given mutants powers correct? He has studied Jean Grey, Scott Summers, Gambit, and various others. With his experience, we will very much so be able to give out super powers. When Elixir got Beast's knowledge, he was able to immediately understand his powers better. With Sinister's knowledge, not only is what we want to do with him plausible it is probably under utilizing his powers.
I mean think about it, the man has created a heart out of thin air. He has control of all organics, biological functions and the like on a genetic scale. With Sinisters experience, the possibilities are limitless
Phalanx part.
Since I don't believe Cyclops powering you up ridiculously (Phoenix=\=Phalanx by any weird leap of logic), Nimrod infected by transmode virus still dies.
We have the energy to support it. We have already established that as fact.
Livewire tech
Tell me, darlings, where the f*ck you got is from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livewires_(comic)
In previous rounds we had Black Box pull up information on the live livewire members and gained Stem Cells stats. That is how we gained that specific information. You are really limiting Warlock and his techshifting skills. Especially mixed with the knowledge we have gathered in our previous rounds.
Blocking psionic powers
That's pretty much retarded. Nimrod can defend himself against TK attack and NOT NULLIFY it (scans above in my post #3, where he compensates for it), telepathy doesn't work on him cause he's a freakin' ROBOT, that's all. Telepathy never worked on robots, on cyborgs, on the other hand... well, you themselves assumed that your guys are cyborgs, not robots.
While Rachel had troubles affecting Nimrod with TP (which is obvious as he's robot), she had no troubles throwing a building on him- he survived that.
Read the scan again. Rachel says she could not communicate with the rest of the X-men. And Tony has created a TK blocking device also, so with our knowledge, you would have no powers period.
By the way, the horrible ridiculous idea of controlling unfamiliar mutant powers via technoorganics is... just that, horrible ridiculous idea.
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd182005streetsamuraidcwq2.jpgSee, technoorganics (such as Phalanx) are setting up major conflicts with mutant powers.
The way that you take scans and place them out of context is amazing. You can really pull almost anything out from them cant you? Because the scan you just showed had nothing to do with the process that the Phalanx go through.
Summary
Let us remember a few things:
We are invisible
We have a genetics manipulator and all the experience of how to handle mutant genetics.
We have all kinds of energy and various super powersets
We have the tech knowledge of REED RICHARDS, TONY STARK, MR. TERRIFIC, and Mr. SINISTER
Add to that the technomorphic properties of Warlock and we can replicate ANYTHING.
Our offense output puts theirs to shame - New Sun Gambit? What do they have that compares? A Black Hole Nuke? What do they have to counter? Charlotte is in a deep hole in this one guys.
She cannot hope to compete with us and our complete amalgam effects. Our team is greater than the sum of its parts, and she cannot cope with that. Our team is a mesh of the greatest synergistic effect in this entire tournament. Vote Blair/Smurph. 🙂
Cyclops, New Sun Gambit, Bedlam, ect ect. We have multiple ways of powering ourselves up in terms of internal power sources.We ALSO have the tech savvy of Mr. Terrific, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, and even Mr. Sinister. Our tech sifting abilities allow us to create energy devices capable of using our internal power sources.
You really believe that we have no way of powering ourselves? You are so focused on one person in our amalgam that you are not noticing the benefits they synergisticly give each other.
Our offense output puts theirs to shame - New Sun Gambit? What do they have that compares? A Black Hole Nuke? What do they have to counter? Charlotte is in a deep hole in this one guys.
Sweet, sweet fantasies, guys.
However, still NO solid proof that you can:
a)give themselves tons of powers without killing\depowering Elixir- even WITH Beast's experience and access to the X-labs he never experimented with anyone's powers, and you plan on overlaping tons of powers over each other.
b)black hole nukes. With no material to start reaction at all.
With New Son powers you'll blow your own team to Kingdom Come as soon as you get them- remember, ZERO control and that power is really prone to do such stuff when comes out of control.
Nimrod isn't much help with that as New Son Gambit wasn't from his timeline, and he never encountered full power Gambit, nor he's recorded in his databases.
To make it easier, I'll quote Smurph's opinion on the matter.
Originally posted by Cavalier
I already knew about the Gambit/Sage business... meh. The original New Sun couldn't control his powers and blew up his planet.Go ahead, make that in prep, then kill yourself...
You getting New Sun=win for me, authomatically.
Blair and I have already torn Charlotte's blithering to pieces, so I think I'll try to take this in a direction that's not a quote war which she's so fond of launching.
First, let's cover a summary of things we've proven about her prep:
1) Her stuff about "unlocking" Miss Martian is fruitless, as there's nothing to unlock, and Miss Martian doesn't have the experience to use her powers to much of a greater degree than she already does.
2) Her plot to get Miss Martian experience because Oracle interacted with other martians is one of the most "ermm" plans I've ever seen.
3) Mach 60 TK is horrid logic- the belief that Cable can perform his greatest feats while moving at Mach 10-60 is pretty asinine.
Charlotte believes that Cable's ability to do cool things sitting down means that he can perform at Mach 60 just as well, because Hellion can give himself a straight, horizontal velocity of supposedly Mach 60. Charlotte also apparently thinks that telekinetics have lightspeed reflexes, judging by what Blair quoted?
lulz
4) Charlotte can't get Jean and Cable's total experiences and skills in the 5 minutes that she's given to get them while they're KO'd.
5) Faust can't get anywhere close enough to steal our powers
6) They can't shield against Bedlam's powers, and they can't shield against all our might combined
7) Their TK and TP won't work in proximity to us.
8) Their reactions are slower than ours and consequentially, we'll destroy them before they can move or think
9) She can't see any of our independent tech, and only has a chance of being able to see us
10) Charlotte can't provide scans that are actually relevant to her points. Off the top of my head, I can think of Faust, "Nimrod", Ms Martian and other scans that she used completely out of context.
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Now here's a summary of what she needs judges to believe in order to win-
She needs judges to believe that:
1) Warlock doesn't have enough energy at full power while being boosted by the entirety of Nimrod's energy to simply grow and make some tech
2) With all the technology of Reed, Tony, Mr. Terrific, Mr. Sinister, Nimrod, the Livewires and Dr. Mid-Nite, we can't make tech to simply absorb some energy powers, like those of Cyclops, who we have drafted.
3) Despite the fact that Warlock's turned into a working spaceship before, he can't make some tech that he has the complete schematics for.
4) We can't grant powers, despite Charlotte having no evidence that it would disrupt our current power sets, and taking into account that we have the entire genetic knowledge of a geneticist that is centuries beyond our current world's knowledge, and an omega level mutant that can alter DNA
5) We can't phalanxify our team, despite having said genetic knowledge, said mutant, a phalanx member on the team, and despite Charlotte having no proof that it would harm our powers
In order for Charlotte to win, she needs every single one of those factors to be true, but provides no reasoning to why they should be true.
For arguments sake, however, let's pretend that all of those are true, and we're left simply with our amalgams. We still win
Let me explain:
Originally posted by Original Smurph
[b]Misconception #9: They’ll hit us before we hit themWe’re equipped with the fastest processing in the whole tourney. Nimrod is a character that counters Kitty’s phasing in a panel, and comes up with weapons to overcome Juggernaut’s durability in milliseconds. His reactions are top notch, and they’re the reason that we’ll be striking long before they hit us. At giant sizes, we can easily hit them with Bedlam’s energy (remember, Nimrod + Bedlam = Techpocalypse) and knock them out at the very beginning of the match. We’ll simultaneously hit them with all of our telepathy, telekinesis, energy powers, sonic disruptors, etc. That’s already a win for us. But even pretending that it isn’t, after we hit them with that, we can closely follow up with a full power blast from a giant Cyclops… Scott’s full power has never been seen on panel, but this is a guy who can easily overload Bishop for kicks. I’ll post scans later.
We’ll be hitting them so hard from the get go that they won’t have time to even think about a counter attack.
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Every attack save the telepathy and telekinesis we have without our prep, and without extra tech.
OHKO Sonics/Disruptors- http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4448/uxm194page17ah6.jpg
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Cyclops' raw power-
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"enough force to rip a small planet in half"
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We'll have a supersized version of this, unless Charlotte is going to contend that Warlock has the ability to simply grow big.
Add on to that all of Nimrod's powers, and take in to account that we'll be hitting first and are immune to the only attack she planned from the getgo- telepathy. Consequentially, we'll have lots of time to attack, though we barely need any time at all.
Anyways, point being, we win without prep.
But what's more?
Bedlam's powers alone win the day for us.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
[b]Misconception #12: They can TK shield against Bedlam’s powersBedlam uses his powers without putting them into a ray or a beam or a blast. He can affect things long range, just by thinking about them.
Demonstrates this with a helicopter:
And with a human brain (showing that we can actually shut off your powers far sooner than you would even attempt to shut off ours):
And none of that was in any form that could be defended against via TP or TK… not that I’m convinced that Hellion has the ability to defend against a special biological EMP like what Bedlam emits.
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Originally posted by illadelph12
Bedlams powers:He can cover vast area with these powers at normal size- we'll be enormous:
The only possible issue that could be brought up with this plan is the range (despite the fact that I showed that Bedlam can cover vast area)... after showing that it can't be shielded against, and knowing that it's nothing like telepathy or telekinesis (which are shut off in our presence anyways, based simply on Nimrod's powers), Charlotte's only route of argument is to contend that it won't hit them.
But consider that:
Nimrod can teleport
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We'll be giant sized
We'll move and think faster
Jesse never displayed a max range to his powers
As soon as we teleport close, we can negate their powers with Jesse's (see scan above).
What all of this means is that they can't control how close we get, and we don't need to get close to KTFO all of them with one shot of Jesse's powers.
Techpocalypse wins this by himself, without prep.
And remember, we're ignoring that we have 3x New Sun Gambit's powers, 3x X-Man's powers, all of Reed/Tony/Livewires/Mr. Terrific/Dr. Mid-Nite's tech, that we all have phalanx powers, that Warlock has enough energy to grow as big as he wants, that we can metabolize Scott's energy... etc.
Charlotte's post #6\10
First of all, let's deal with your prep- and why it's still suicidal.
Phalanx thing- aka the biggest failure of your team
I'm beginning that thing with the scans of Bastion being unable to sustain being transmoded into Phalanx unit.
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However, you've attempted to answer that with mutant powers supposingly powering up your amalgams to their team busting levels.However...you've reached the next stop in your road to failure by doing that.
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phalanxassimilationqf7.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mutantsphalanxoc4.jpg
Mutant biology is HOSTILE to Phalanx. So you can't possibly use mutant powers to power up the transmoding process... likely you'll get killed in that.
By doing that you also can kiss goodbye to your sophisticated data banks- Phalanx only saves partial memory of assimilated mutants... as for cyborgs, well, you've seen what've happened to Bastion.
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=limitedmemoriesot4.jpg
So... result=two of your units being killed in your very prep process- I'm talking about Techpocalypce (the most unspellable name ever, even Fangirl came up with better names for her amalgams) and Elixir.
That leaves what... Warlock with Cyclops' eyebeams? How "scary"...not the team buster in the slightest. Warlock alone has been exhausted and PWNed by psionic blasts by people on far lesser power levels that my team.
Elixir prep
Thing with Elixir (even with Beast's and Sinister's memory) exactly reproducing a particular DNA structure BY MEMORY ALONE, not by having exact samples is fairly ridiculous to say the least.
Let alone Beast and Sinister working with actual biological samples all the time, Elixir doesn't have enough memory capacity to reproduce the exact structure of DNA down to every gene in locus- he's no computer, nor he has perfect memory akin to Oracle or Taskmaster- he's your regular kid who forgets his girlfriend's birthday ocasionally.
The skillset of Beast and Sinister so far only told him of the differences of normal and abnormal genetic structure- that's how he was able to tweak with one's biological functions- removing cancer, correcting eyesight etc.
But then you want person with no photographic memory skills to be able to reproduce dozens of precice genetic sequences down to each gene OFF MEMORY, without actual samples to refer to, and expect him to have control and not screw himself out of his very own powers? Not likel, given he doesn't have photographic memory nor the tools to "input" the precise sequences in his brain- it's not like it was rewiring performed on his memory by telepath.
At least two of your amalgams are PWNed (and horribly) by your initial prep.
To convince me otherwise you'lll have to prove that Sinister EXACTLY REMEMBERS BY HEART the sequences of DNA of said mutants. Them being in his computer DB means nothing- it's not like Elixir has perfect memory and can "sort out" memories given to him... Having him replicate stuff Simister himself doesn't remember (it being in his database=\=proof for Elixir remembering them in full details).
And the last thing to PWN our team is Warlock with Cyclops' eyebeams, honestly. It only means that he can use his shapeshifting and energy blasts together, not make any sophisticated tech like nanoassemblers.
Homogenous cellular structure and advanced tech creation doesn't mix well, guys.
Summary- YOU ARE PWNED
Techpocalypse as planet buster
As for Smurph bravado when trying to escape Phalanxization failure - Hellion on unamped level had little trouble if any stopping Nimrod's best blasts.
Sonics on team where everyone is capable on moving WAY beyond speed of sound=LOL, most uneffective attack ever.
Just cause some close range stuff worked wonders on Juggernaut messing with his neural impulses...that doesn't mean it would be just as effective on person who can control her own brain chemistry as shown there.
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Your dislocutor attack=failure.
Cyclops as planet buster=massive LOL. Hell, Julian when amped by Cable skillset is more fitting onto that role.
The Cyclops' best is "get off my lawn" blasts, and anyways, Ems' diamond form was withstanding Cyclops' visorless blasts and even redirecting it effortlessly.
How would you like your "planet busting" blast being redirected towards your own team?
On top of that, Nimrod is horribly immobile and NEVER used any combat teleportation.
His "teleport" is uncontrollable failsafe activated when his body receives damage beyond certain level (or PIS that saves him from being the villain for X-Men for more than one issue). We have edge over him in mobility...
As for "not shown upper limits=no limits at all", it's silly. AT MOST Bedlam's powers have afffected the area of a few square kilometres. Not to mention EMPs can be stopped by TK shields easily.
Post #8 (the previous one was 7th and not 6th as it labelled)
Mostly dealing with my own strategy.
The speed of telekinetic powers
Well, the speed Hellion can move objects (including himself) with his TK powers=Mach 60 at least.
The flight with TK works just like any other TK manipulation- as explained there.
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It's not like it separate power from anything else. Flying AND navigating on that speed= enough proof of ability to apply TK on those speeds.
Cable is not speedster in convinient sence of the word, neither is Julian- they can't run fast, they're not Flashes. However, the thing with psionic powers is that idea=execution without any gap caused by neural impulse having to reach certain organ in the body.
As Psylocke puts it:
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The relativity of the speed psi-powers operate on and physiology-based powers operate on allow telepaths have long psi-conferences in what takes less than second in physical world.
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If you want other examples- that's why Flash is still having troubles with telepaths.
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As he explains that, the relative speed of psionic powers is always>highest speeds achievable in physical word. By removing any mediator from thought-action process TP powers work wonders.
Even if telepaths\telekinetics doesn't have physical superspeed (which isn't needed there).
Cable while operating on "human speed" (physically they ALL operate on human speed, but since psionic powers don't rely on feedback from body, the powers work instantly and IN FACT faster by default than those who need to send command to their body to activate their powers) was able to stop missles and other military fancy stuff in mid air casually.
Here's him (still "full power but pre-Godlike" incarnation, thus on power level we're using there) fighting and PWNing Lightmaster, who is a legitimate lightspeedster.
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He wasn't outspeeded in the slightest there.
The supposed difference between "flight speed and fight speed" Smurph tries to create is meaningless there, as for telekinetics both are achieved by the same means. It's irrelevant whether you're moving himself on "Mach impossible" speeds or doing it to the other things- it's all done via the same means.
Blocking out psi-powers
I've shown the scans of TK blocking out Nimrod's energy output and quite frankly, I don't even need offensive TP to finish you off.
Proven- Nimrod can't block telekinesis, period. And Rachel isn't the best X-telepath skillwise, skillwise she always was far cry from Emma, Jean or Cable.
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The scan you're using as proof. The telepaths can't detect a sentinel, that says nothing about him BLOCKING OUT their powers. He blocks it... from detecting him.
In fact, with sophisticated TP user said method of protection leads to failure. Why?
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The only place on the battlefield with ZERO psi-signature would be the one where you guys are hiding. It's much like covering with a lead foil to cover from Superman's X-Ray vision- sometimes too good of shielding provides the way to detect you. Natural psi-signature of the place is always>zero, creating absolute zero signature= holding the sign "here we are"
Shielding blocking out environmental emission= fail.
Also, using Rachel Summers as measure of your psi-interference kinda... gets you into trouble. Emma was always better than Rachel when it comes to maneuring around sophisticated psi-blockers.
Rachel thinks that psi-blockers would cause trouble even to Xavier... yet Emma can safely observe what happens below.
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And Stark has also NEVER succeded in nullifiing Emma's powers on panel...curiously enough.
As I've posted, Nimrod has never neutralised a TK user on panel- he was able to "compensate" TK attacks destroying his body, that's all he did.
In summary- putting the 0,5 km wide area around us in telekinetic stasis and THEN destroy your weaponry and what's left of your team after your suicidal prep IS VALID and you can't do anything about it.
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Martian things
You called me on psi-blockers stuff, which was pretty ridiculous.
Let's repeat everything step-by-step.
Note that unlike whatever scan Smurph was referring to, the word "control" was never said in that scan.
ALL that it implies is Miss Martian "depowering herself" cause of her docile personality- nothing about the lack of training (quite the contrary, she was trained in the warrior ways but lacked the "guts" to use her power to its fullest).
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220084_11-12/
When those psi-blockers were removed, that led to the vast improval in performance.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1220272_Teen_Titans_053-15/
Emma is no novice when it comes to the individuals subconsciously depowering themselves\stripping themselves off their powers.
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Now the "experience" part. Martian culture is adapted to receiving\assimilating info via telepathy.
Miss Martian has received the regular training of White Martians (who were the cosmic Spartans), so it's not like she needs vast details on how to perform the ABCs.
Oracle's memories of JLA encounters with White Martians and MM (Oracle was the JLA datakeeper in that times) is akin to watching highly detailed video of their performance, with the possibility to "stop" and "rewind" in any given moment.
She's already trained in ABCs\basic principles behind the stuff she sees, so that "recording" simply shows her more clever trick (being a Martian herself, she's well aware how those tricks are done in general, the"video" only helps to refine the details and see some clever shapes a Martian can assume etc).
Speed of information transfer
Let's start with basics- information assimilation.
Emma learns how to permanently copy skills or knowledge of other people:
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Astrid Bloom, who was Emma's "sensei" in what comes to TP usage, being older and way more experienced, gets her lifetime experience and skillset assimilated in seconds:
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Instantly transferring certain skills to the others (Rachel Summers):
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"Rewiring" the memory to input\transfer certain skills\experience (also happens istantly).
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The "rewired" person is as fluent in said skill (in that case language) as original user.
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Said "rewiring"=textbook routine for Emma, nothing unfamiliar is happening there.
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