The truth about Post Crisis Supes

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The truth about Post Crisis Supes

Courtesy of user Kyle_Rayner from Gaia Online. (big thanks Kyle)

Time to shut up a few people on this forum. πŸ˜‰

In Superman Man of Steel #66, he once again acted as an effective shield, protecting cities around the world by blocking numerous "atom-smashing" force beams with his body. At one point he had 6 such beams trained on him simultaneously.

In Adventures of Superman #581, Superman allowed Adversary, a powerful magical foe, to hit him as hard as he could, without retaliation. Superman was literally punched halfway across the planet- from Metropolis, he literally landed in China- without any injury or loss of consciousness

But forget about being punched across the planet to China, how about through the planet to China? In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro (his magically-created, brain damaged, "imperfect" duplicate) switched bodies. Superman (in Bizarro's body) punched Bizarro (in Superman's body) completely through the Earth and out the other end. Bizarro (in Superman's body) was slammed in through the ground in Metropolis and came out two panels later in China. He was shown ripping straight through the Earth?s crust, mantle, and core, and coming out on the other side of the planet. Superman's body was fully conscious and completely unharmed by the blow (Bizarro was smiling as usual).

In Man of Tomorrow #13, Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blast from Orion's Astro-Harness that blasted him across the planet from the North Pole to India.

Action Comics # 762: Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blow from the magical demon Etrigan. The blow actually knocked Superman from Earth's surface all the way to the moon (239,000 miles), a distance that is about 10 times the diameter of the Earth. Superman was virtually unfazed. In this issue he also shrugged off magical demon-fire (which he did previously in Action #589), and his super-lungs harmlessly inhaled the demon's magical gases.

In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey, Superman survived, at ground zero, a blast equal to "a million nuclear bombs" (according to the energy being Waverider). The explosion was caused by the destruction of the power generator for the entire planet of Calaton; the energy was drawn from the planetary core. Superman did not suffer any physical damage, but was momentarily rendered inert, and stated that he felt concussed. He then got up and boxed a little more with Doomsday, who also survived the blast.

In Adventures of Superman #478, as part of the Time and Time Again storyline, Superman survived- without so much as batting an eye- the nuclear destruction of the entire moon in the year 2995. The moon had been lined with sufficient nuclear devices to disintegrate it in one shot. When the moon was obliterated, Superman was actually within the moon (structures had been built beneath the surface of the moon). He did not suffer any harm and did not lose consciousness.

Superman's ability to survive immersion in the sun is well documented by now. In Adventures of Superman #480, Superman survived immersion in the sun for the first time, but with great difficulty. This was actually a RED sun at the time, due to the Eradicator's interference. In both the Superman: Last God of Krypton one shot and Superman Man of Steel #50, Superman survived immersion in the outer layers of the Earth's yellow sun enjoyably, received extra power from the sun, and effortlessly escaped the sun?s gravitational pull. Furthermore, in both Action Comics # 782 and Superman Man of Steel #64, Superman survived the core of the sun without any problems. The pressure at the core of the sun is equal to 250 billion Earth atmospheres.

In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, of vaporizing half a galaxy. Writer Grant Morrison intended Mageddon to be "the primordial annihilator" capable of literally destroying everything. Visibly distressed by the absorption, Superman still suffered no harm whatsoever, and even smiled afterwards.

Man of Steel #30: Standing on Earth's surface, Superman punched Lobo into orbit and beyond with one uppercut.

Adventure of Superman #473: From Earth, Superman threw an alien space craft clear of Earth?s gravity and into outer space. This craft was larger than an aircraft carrier and over a mile long (a typical aircraft carrier is about a 1/4 of a mile long and weighs about 100,000 tons, so this ship was about 4x that size)

Several events show Superman as a moon-mover. In JLA # 7, as Electro-Superman, he halted the fall of the Moon towards Earth (caused by Neron's magical machinations), then moved the Moon back its proper position in orbit. He later commented that he's more powerful as "regular" Superman. Writer Grant Morrison and artist Howard Porter had originally intended the moon-moving event in JLA #7 be done by "regular" Superman , but DC forced them to use Electro-Supes. This event is butressed by several more. In JLA: The Century War, ancient "alchemical engines" were causing the moon to fall towards the Earth. Superman and Green Lantern took turns holding the moon back against the "geometrically increasing force" that was causing it to fall. Superman got the last "moon-bracing" shift. In Superman Man of Steel #30, Superman grabbed, easily broke the forward movement of, and easily threw in the opposite direction, a space ship the size of a small moon. In JLA # 58, Superman , Wonder Woman and Green Lantern collaborated to tow Earth's moon a distance of 238,900 miles in mere seconds, indicating a fantastic acceleration, and then pulled the moon out of Earth's gravity (which increases its weight tremendously). As he is universally regarded as the JLA's most powerful member, I'm inclined to give Superman more than one-third, and - conservatively - about one-half, the work effort. In the Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman split one of Saturn's moons in half. Saturn's moons are small moons.

Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance Superman?s push. We can see WarWorld's engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld's surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorld's engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed. "How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!" Braniac's disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld's engines had no shortage of power ; WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex's reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies."πŸ˜‰ Please note that Superman was energized beyond his usual power levels at this time.

Action Comics Annual #7: Fighting in space, Superman successfully resisted the pull from a black hole that had opened up directly below (inches from) his feet. The miniature black hole had been induced by advanced alien (Ht'ros) war technology.

Superman #13: Flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, indicating a speed of well over 1,000,000 mph, or roughly 1350 times the speed of sound.

Man of Steel #110: Standing in one spot, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body invisible.

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Superman #175: Taking another speed trick from the Flash?s book of tricks, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body intangible, thus allowing Doomsday's punches and fire-breath to pass harmlessly through him. A body moving at light speed within an atmosphere will become intangible (that's how the Flash does it).

Return of Superman: Superman used his speed to vibrate his arm so fast, it shattered the Cyborg?s body into hundreds of fragments.

After racing the Man of Steel, Impulse stated that Superman travels at 99% of the speed of light.

War of the Gods #4: Superman actually out-raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA: Heavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a photon to its target.

Lex 2000 special: Superman made the trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes. By comparison, light takes about 19 minutes to make this trip. He was pissed at the time.

Superman #167: His power waning under a red sun, Superman still summoned enough heat vision to successfully power Jor-El's planet-moving ion engines. The planet in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

Superman's heat vision has a maximum range of at least 239,000 miles (the distance from the Earth to the Moon). In Superman #101, he let out a beam from Earth's surface that scorched the surface of the moon; In Man of Steel #112, he shot a beam that bounced off the surface of the moon. Krypto did, too.

In John Byrne's Man of Steel revamp, it was shown that Superman's microscopic vision can see on the subcellular level, as he analyzed Bizarro?s cellular structure; and even on the molecular level, as he analyzed the molecular composition of Magpie's acid-gas.

In the JLA: Earth 2 graphic novel, the Martian Manhunter and Superman mulled over the abnormalities at "every eighth angstrom" in the DNA of the anti-matter Earth's version of Lex Luthor. An angstrom is about the size of a large atom.

Superman #152: Superman's telescopic vision allowed him to peer across the galaxy to WarWorld.

In Man of Steel #121, Superman's super-hearing allowed him to pinpoint a single person in a city of 11 million based on such distinctive sounds as the rustle of that person's clothing and the sound of their heartbeat.

Soul Search: Fighting alone in Hell (literally), Superman single-handedly defeated Blaze, a death goddess, in her own realm. This had never been accomplished before by anyone; Blaze has magical control over the very reality of her realm. The attacks that Superman fought off included magical transmutation into a demon, which he shook off through sheer willpower ; magical energy blasts from Blaze ; a magical spell that encased him in stone, which he subsequently shattered; and immersion in the lava lakes of this magical dimension.

Alone against the Daxamite Lar Gand, (Daxamites are the genetic cousins to, but reputed to be more powerful than, Kryptonians), Superman soundly KO'd Lar, despite the fact that Superman was operating on empty lungs on the airless surface of the moon (Lar had air in his lungs however).

Action Comics Annual #7: Alone, Superman twice defeated alien armadas, each capable of destroying a planet.

Superman #153: Superman became the first being ever in the history of the Universe to defeat an Imperiex probe. He used a combination of super speed and super strength to destroy an Imperiex space construct ; said construct was capable of annihilating our solar system. Note that Superman took a blast from Imperiex, the beam aforementioned as being able to vaporize a solar system.

More On Kal-El's Durability.Thanks to Jak Sacul

Adventures of Superman #477: survives being at ground zero of an imploding sun-eater, followed by a plummet to Earth. KO'd; otherwise OK afterwards.

Adventures of Superman #478: survives the nuclear obliteration of the Earth's moon )in the 31st century, IIRC) without batting an eye.

Adventures #480: takes a dive into the outer layers of a red sun.

Man of Steel #64, Action Comics #782: goes into the core of a yellow sun.

Action Comics #696: takes a trip through a cosmic wormhole.

Hunter/Prey #3: weathers ground zero of the supposed "million nukes" blast on Calaton.

JLA/JSA Virtue/Vice: Goes through a black hole. Not sure if Sentinel protected him or not - it's not clear from the story.

Superman #9: weathers ground zero of a 40 megaton nuke followed by a fall to Earth from outer space. KO'd for a half hour, OK afterwards.

Superman for All Seasons #1 and Trinity #1: impressively endures ground zero nukes without loss of consciousness or injury.

Superman/Fantastic Four: the disputed "adamantium cutting lasers" event.

JLA: Created Equal #2: goes through a black hole (out of continuity).

Adventures of Superman #595: impressively resists Darkseid's Omega Beams.

Superman #181: Takes a punch from the magically created Bizarro creature which slams him clear through the Earth, in the ground through Metropolis, through the curst mantle and core and out through China. No injury or loss of consciousness. Smiles afterwards.

Man of Steel #127: takes an island-destroying nuke while sitting in Kryptonite-laced sand. No injury or loss of consciousness.

War of the Gods #4: blocks a magical beam capable of destroying an island (Paradise Island). Fails to completely mitigate the blast's effect - one person dies. Apparently briefly KO'd or at least in great pain as a result; otherwise OK at issue's end.

Adventures #581: takes a punch from a magical being that knocks him clear from Metropolis to China. No injury or loss of consciousness. Says "ouch".

Action #762: takes a punch from Etrigan the Demon that sends him from Metropolis to the Moon. No injury or loss of consciousness. Says "unff."

Trial of Superman (don't know the issues): survives various planet-powered particle beams from the Cyborg, one of which was said by the Cyborg to be capable of levelling a city. ("Believe me, I'd know" spake the Cyborg.)

Need I remind everyone that this is almost the weakest canon version of Superman we've ever seen?

Whats does it all mean? πŸ˜•

Originally posted by hotsauce6548
Whats does it all mean? πŸ˜•

wait and see πŸ˜‰

I wanna give you props for your post I was putting together my own supes post you pretty much covered it great job I have said once I will say it again he is a god peroid.... There is no power limit he wills himself past barriers with his incredible mind and will power He has shown when he does not hold himself back thee is truly no limit in my mind he is a god end of sentence.... Once again great job.

Originally posted by chris_64256
I wanna give you props for your post I was putting together my own supes post you pretty much covered it great job I have said once I will say it again he is a god peroid.... There is no power limit he wills himself past barriers with his incredible mind and will power He has shown when he does not hold himself back thee is truly no limit in my mind he is a god end of sentence.... Once again great job.

thanks mate πŸ™‚ props to Kyle_Rayner from Gaia Online for putting it together.

I'm assuming people don't like it when Superman is called a God?

Originally posted by hotsauce6548
I'm assuming people don't like it when Superman is called a God?

Some don't πŸ˜–hifty: Some on here hate supes thoughπŸ˜•

While this is very awesome, i think this thread should be merged with the Superman respect thread πŸ˜•

Its not exactly a respect thread... It's more to do with answering some posters with misconceptions D U.

but i thought magic was his weakness? 😱

i thought ONE nuclear bomb ko's him? 😱

i thought him incapable of withstanding a world-destroying blast? 😱

i thought he couldn't move ftl? 😱

he's not telling anyone who has really read and KNOWS superman anything that we don't know -- but it's still cool reading!

supes always has and always will ROCK! 🀘

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Its not exactly a respect thread... It's more to do with answering some posters with misconceptions D U.

Yeah, but this info (mainly the issue numbers) would help the superman respect thread.

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Yeah, but this info (mainly the issue numbers) would help the superman respect thread.

true but this thread is more about dissemination of info rather than respect per se.

Originally posted by leonidas
but i thought magic was his weakness? 😱

i thought ONE nuclear bomb ko's him? 😱

i thought him incapable of withstanding a world-destroying blast? 😱

i thought he couldn't move ftl? 😱

he's not telling anyone who has really read and KNOWS superman anything that we don't know -- but it's still cool reading!

supes always has and always will ROCK! 🀘

So true Leo πŸ™‚

Originally posted by chris_64256
I wanna give you props for your post I was putting together my own supes post you pretty much covered it great job I have said once I will say it again he is a god peroid.... There is no power limit he wills himself past barriers with his incredible mind and will power He has shown when he does not hold himself back thee is truly no limit in my mind he is a god end of sentence.... Once again great job.

he is not a God....God created the freakin universe....superman is a kryptonian....are you saying all kryptonains are gods? then why are they all dead? yes i can say Superman is the greatest of superheros, the icon that everyone has to live up to, but no sir, he is no God....end of sentence.....

Some things here dont seem right:

"JLA/JSA Virtue/Vice: Goes through a black hole. Not sure if Sentinel protected him or not - it's not clear from the story."

I have the comic. No one goes thro a black hole. Confusion?

"Action Comics Annual #7: Fighting in space, Superman successfully resisted the pull from a black hole that had opened up directly below (inches from) his feet. The miniature black hole had been induced by advanced alien (Ht'ros) war technology."

Not -a- black hole. Not real one at least.

"Alone against the Daxamite Lar Gand, (Daxamites are the genetic cousins to, but reputed to be more powerful than, Kryptonians), Superman soundly KO'd Lar, despite the fact that Superman was operating on empty lungs on the airless surface of the moon (Lar had air in his lungs however). "

They had that reputation pre crisis.

"i thought ONE nuclear bomb ko's him"

No it didnt Leo!!!

But a gas station explosion did.

Good Ol' Olympian.

He sure is predictable.

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Originally posted by The Ion
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"Good Ol' Olympian.

He sure is predictable."

Someone has to disagree in a few points. Especially when one its a lie.

It woulnt be fun otherwise, dont you agree πŸ‘Ώ