Their feats apply from every movie and such these are the mindsets they are in.
Freddy is desperate in freddy vs. jason as to go for the kill far quicker than he normally would as to bring the fear back and pinhead is at his most powerful.
Fight takes place in the dream world. Winner gets springwood.
^ no dude you aren't getting it. It should be just Freddy vs Pinhead. We usually don't apply CIS to most situations anyways so you don't have to worry about that. And why would the fight go there? You just gave the win to Freddy auto. That's also stupid.
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Because in Freddy's dreamworld he is ABSOLUTE. He has to be pulled out of the dreamworld to even have a chance at being killed. The prize doesn't matter. They should just be fighting to the death to begin with. In which case Freddy if he could not put Pinhead down for the kill he would at least KO his ass which would still give him the win. While in the dreamworld Freddy has access to everything, and also would learn about Pinheads fears anyways.
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That's where's freddy's powers are from but he can still be pulled outside the dream. I mean it only happened in about every single nightmare on elm street.
Pinhead has powers as well no matter where he's at. This is the most powerful Pinhead's ever been at as well.
Uhmmm.. notice he could only be pulled out by people who have KNOWLEDGE of him... As in there's always that one person who was either related to him or knew first hand what to do. You're not making any sense in backing Pinhead. He dies simple as that because of your weird scenario. And how the hell do you know Pinhead is at his most
powerful inside Freddy's world. That statement alone has no logic to it. Besides no matter how many times Pinhead ****ed Freddy up, he is Absolute like I said. Look up the word absolute, then you'll understand.
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What we need is a location.
Inside the cube?
On Earth?
It can't be the sleep realm because Pinhead shed himself of his physical body when the cube's pocket dimension forged him.
So if Freddy sends his spirit form to Cubeworld that will make more sense for if Freddy was on Earth and used and opened the cube he gets eviscerated.
Round 1 win for the Cenobites.
Round 2 will be Freddy in Cubeworld were his demented and masochistic nature + the dreammaster demon inside of him will give him an advantage over the Cenobites.
Remember Hellraiser 2 when that phychologist went in and murdered the Cenebites.
Well Freddy would do worse and possibly forge Cubeworld in his image......becoming unstoppable!
Cenobites win Round 1
Freddy Round 2 and the endgame.
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He's a hell lord and his powers would also sense who freddy is as a sinner in general. Have you ever even watched a hellraiser ?
You act like he can't extrapolate information and is unintelligent like voorhees or something.
Your powers stay the same as in the real world. Had you watched hellraiser 3 you'd realize his powers were unbound and he no longer had to conform to the rules of hell or the box. I mean at least watch these movies before you spout any more nonsense.
I never said I backed pinhead I at least retain knowledge about both these character while you don't.
I've seen the Hellraiser films... and what you're failing to understand is that none of that will ****in matter in Freddy's world. My god, just because he's intelligent doesn't mean that he's capable of ****ing knowing OH I GETS IT I GOTS TO PUT FREDDY IN THE REAL WORLD. DUH PINHEAD DUH. Umm no. It doesn't work that way.
And saying you retain knowledge about both characters is also foolish ad you clearly know nothing about Freddy. I know quite a bit about Pinhead, you have just failed to use logic i defending him.
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Pinhead is not a hell lord he is an explorer who got forged by a cube made by a toymaker with instructions from occultists.
This cube created an empty pocket reality where the first people who go into it literally forge it in their own form.
Unfortunately the couple were masochists who delighted in pain.
All those who get sucked into the cube and embrace the pain become Cenobites, the rest exist in eternal torture until they embrace it as well or rebel.
The sickest minds rule this dimension and Freddy is sicker than the Cenobites and displayed an enjoyable masochistic history in Freddy goes to Hell. Cutting himself and enjoying it....channeling the Dream Demons.
Pinhead may be a better character but he has his limits just like Freddy.
For instance Pinhead won't fear Freddy which would pose a problem.
Are you referring to the puzzle box? Or how another Cenobite can hurt him? And as for you talking about teenagers, you must be blind sir, as like I stated before random ass teenagers just don't kill Freddy. They are always either A) someone with knowledge of what's going on, B) a direct relative to him or C) you're Jason Vorhees.
You just ramble on without even proving feats or logic. Go back to the comic forum if that's all you're going to do. Sure it's Pinhead's duty to kill sinners and everything, but like was mentioned earlier, in Freddy's World he is God. He only "loses" to those teenagers because of CIS and PIS. Something you should so unblindedly know. Freddy isn't even a hugely powerful villian unless he's in the dreamworld which you gave him. So please before you start yapping stupid comments and getting hostile in here go back and rethink what the hell you're talking about before coming in here and posting like you own this part of the forum.
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He is an explorer of pain which originally landed him the gig. He became the greatest of the torturers. I consider him a hell lord. He's not the big boss that was leviathan.
The box was created as a portal to hell which then created cenobites out of people who were curious.
I do believe freddy is sicker than eliot spencer. This is just the evil side of pinhead though before eliot reformed with him.
Did you see Pinhead enter the club and slaughter everyone. Pinhead unbound was a huge threat on a much bigger scale as Freddy is usually confined to one territory or Springwood for the most part.
You can't consider him a hell lord if he's actually not one. You can say Pinhead is a bigger threat then Freddy, although that's also hugely debatable. if Freddy actually decided to be smart and terrorize a town that knew nothing about him then well he'd most likely destroy everyone. The same can't be said about Pinhead.
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I agree on Pinhead's onworld powers. Very impressive...matter manip with telekinesis. Though the box is not a gateway to Hell, it's a pocket dimension created by two masochistic occultists. It's a pain reality where pain equals control.
Pinhead doesn't kill sinners he just spreads his belief that pain is enlightenment. He kills anyone he comes across.
All of this is covered in Hellraiser 4: Bloodlines.....an excellent film.
Which covers the only way to kill the Cube and the Cenobites within is with a Supernova level matter manipulating explosion.
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