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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Midnighter's rap sheet reads like a second rate Sabretooth and with out a healing factor that even starts to stack up to Wolverine or Sabretooth, Wolverine wins.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Rap sheet? What's a rap sheet?

And in the most recent Authority arc, MN'er can be seen single-handedly giving the rest of the team trouble. Hell, he was punking Apollo (see: Superman clone) before they got broken up by people who could actually beat MN'er.

And actually, he does heal faster than normal...but still much slower than Logan.

Still, MN'er takes one look at Logan, and knows exactly what he's capable of and how to beat him. He'll see the claws, the healing, the strength/reflexes...and probably won't be touched by Logan unless he wants to be. And he doesn't have qualms about killing.

He got plenty of sharp/hard stuff in his aresenal (think Batman if he ever went to the dark side), and while it wouldn't damage admantium, he'd mess up Logan's face & body something fierce.

...Wolverine has a chance to win this. But I'd give it to MN'er 7/10. And if you read Authority regularly, you'll know I'm being generous to Wolverine. He's definitely well above street level (not that Wolverine isn't, but still...).

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Rap sheet? What's a rap sheet?

And in the most recent Authority arc, MN'er can be seen single-handedly giving the rest of the team trouble. Hell, he was punking Apollo (see: Superman clone) before they got broken up by people who could actually beat MN'er.

And actually, he does heal faster than normal...but still much slower than Logan.

Still, MN'er takes one look at Logan, and knows exactly what he's capable of and how to beat him. He'll see the claws, the healing, the strength/reflexes...and probably won't be touched by Logan unless he wants to be. And he doesn't have qualms about killing.

He got plenty of sharp/hard stuff in his aresenal (think Batman if he ever went to the dark side), and while it wouldn't damage admantium, he'd mess up Logan's face & body something fierce. And based on more than a few feats, I'd put MN'er around the 3 to 5-ton strength range. Nothing special, but he's more about speed and tactics than about brute force.

...Wolverine has a chance to win this. But I'd give it to MN'er 7/10. And if you read Authority regularly, you'll know I'm being generous to Wolverine. He's definitely well above street level (not that Wolverine isn't, but still...).

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Originally posted by illadelph12
His built in combat computer makes him impressive.

Midnighter 7/10.

He'll always be at least 20 steps ahead of Logan.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
And?

Have you read Authority?

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... you don't know what a rapsheet is?

Anyway you say Apollo is a Superman clone like that some how means anything. What has Apollo ever done that puts him in the same league as Superman? Nothing. Apollo would be lucky to be considered the square root of Superman.

Like I said every single impressive thing MN has done has already been done by Sabretooth but almost always a notch above. Most of MN feats involve beating down second rate ripoffs of established characters... like that somehow makes him impressive.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Fair enough. Apollo is a second-rate Super-type. But he has still held up a skyscraper without much trouble, survived a trip to the Earth's core via an active volcano, and can at least achieve mach speed in flight. The fact that MN'er can take him down is telling enough.

And are we going to hold the fact that he's in Wildstorm against MN'er?? No, he doesn't have established opponents, because Wildstorm isn't as established as Marvel. But his fighting implants make him roughly equivalent of the Deep Blue chess computer (I use chess as an analogy because capt's scan used it too). Deep Blue could calculate thousands of moves per second. MN'ers roughly the same, except with fighting. And he knows his opponents strengths, weaknesses, and abilities, so it's like giving Deep Blue access to Kasparov's thought processes.

Also keep in mind I gave Wolverin 3/10. I didn't say he can't win.

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Originally posted by capt it up
4 computers beat one.............


ya thats all nice and such, but wolverine has defeated namor in less then I think 7 pannels before. namor is easiliy apollo equal if not better

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Deep Blue beats 4 regular computers into the ground with a mallet.

He's not fighting Namor... And I'm sure DC would have something to say about that.

The fact remains, MN'er would be a step ahead of Wolverine the entire time. And enough slashes/bashes to the face and/or body, and Logan doesn't heal instantly...they'd take their tole pretty quickly. And if he can damage a guy who can take a volcano-lava bath, he can hurt Wolverine too.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Your analogy is a bit false. Yours with Wolverine is someone narrating his actions. Whereas MN'er can actually process thousands of strategies (i.e. many thousands of individual moves) in the opening seconds of a fight. Thus, he knows the best way to beat you in about a second, as well as everything you can do ability-wise. And computer-analogies aside, I don't think Wolverine can say anything near that.