Innocent Protester Murdered in Right Wing Terror Attack

just a thread to discuss the terrorist attack at a charlottesville 'unite the right' nazi rally.

this way we can address the murder of heather heyer, and the 19 other peaceful counter-protesters who were injured (five critically) in a cowardly attack by one of the white supremacists in that rally.

oh, i also hear some nazis and anti nazis got into some fisticuffs, which i'm sure might be super-important to you, but that's not the topic here. so please use one of these two threads to discuss all that nazi vs antifa stuff.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t644969.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t645007.html

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
just a thread to discuss the terrorist attack at a charlottesville 'unite the right' nazi rally.

this way we can address the murder of heather heyer, and the 19 other peaceful counter-protesters who were injured (five critically) in a cowardly attack by one of the white supremacists in that rally.

oh, i also hear some nazis and anti nazis got into some fisticuffs, which i'm sure is super-important to you, but that's not the topic here. so please use one of these two threads to discuss all that nazi vs antifa stuff.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t644969.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t645007.html

expected derailer #5. check.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
expected derailer #5. check.

It reminds me of when someone says, "I am sorry, but . . ." He is offering the obligatory sorry, and everything after the but is what he really thinks.

Or when someone prefaces something with, "No offense, but . . ." What he is effectively telling the listener is that he knows what he is about to say is offensive, but it is what he really believes, and he cannot help but share it. So he prefaces it with a disclaimer to avoid judgment.

So that Nazi was a piece of shit, but what about all of the shitty things liberals do?

Keep cucking for Nazis.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It reminds me of when someone says, "I am sorry, but . . ." He is offering the obligatory sorry, and everything after the but is what he really thinks.

Or when someone prefaces something with, "No offense, but . . ." What he is effectively telling the listener is that he knows what he is about to say is offensive, but it is what he really believes, and he cannot help but share it. So he prefaces it with a disclaimer to avoid judgment.

So that Nazi was a piece of shit, but what about all of the shitty things liberals do?

Keep cucking for Nazis.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said a damn thing about liberals being bad in this thread. I haven't mentioned them at all in fact.

I have to say something. I was gonna avoid this but I have to say this, because I dunno if any others will say it in a way you may understand.

You asked in the other thread, when is a good time to talk about Antifa's antics. I think the best time to do it is probably any other time other than when a person is dead and 19 are seriously injured by a crazed Nazi lunatic behind the wheel of a car.

I mean we've had antifa debates all year long, but this is the only time, I feel when even comparing their antics to the colossal action of outright deliberate murder out in public is simply not going to be acceptable.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I have to say something. I was gonna avoid this but I have to say this, because I dunno if any others will say it in a way you may understand.

You asked in the other thread, when is a good time to talk about Antifa's antics. I think the best time to do it is probably any other time other than when a person is dead and 19 are seriously injured by a crazed Nazi lunatic behind the wheel of a car.

I mean we've had antifa debates all year long, but this is the only time, I feel when even comparing their antics to the colossal action of outright deliberate murder out in public is simply not going to be acceptable.

Antifa = bad

Nazis = Much worse

Isnt there a thread about this?

Expected Derailer #3. Check.

we're not allowed to talk about a terror attack on american soil, isnt that cute?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Expected Derailer #3. Check.

we're not allowed to talk about a terror attack on american soil, isnt that cute?

Originally posted by darthgoober
See now YOU'RE derailing this thread by bringing up something from the other. But since you have I'll ask you the same question... when is a good time? On what date will you be willing to step forward and say that Antifa was 100% guilty of terrorist tactics that day against another group who were exercising their constitutionally protected rights and their actions demonstrate that measures need to be taken against them?

Couple of things here. 1#: you are assuming all of Antifa is 100% guilty. I presume to argue in favor of innocent until proven guilty. But that's a personal choice.

#2: Perhaps when the next riot occurs? At least then there would be some meat and not completely overshadowed by Nazi's willing to escalate from "constitutionally protected hate speech" to outright murder.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Couple of things here. 1#: you are assuming all of Antifa is 100% guilty. I presume to argue in favor of innocent until proven guilty. But that's a personal choice.

#2: Perhaps when the next riot occurs? At least then there would be some meat and not completely overshadowed by Nazi's willing to escalate from "constitutionally protected hate speech" to outright murder.

1. I'm not 100% assuming anything, I just know that there's reports that the Nazi group was pepper sprayed before they even entered the park and that Antifa has a history of pepper spraying people they don't like without provecation.

2. Why wait until the next attack? If such an attack occurs couldn't it be said that not addressing them emboldened them to engage in more acts of terrorism?

Originally posted by darthgoober
But since you have I'll ask you the same question... when is a good time? On what date will you be willing to step forward and say that Antifa was 100% guilty of terrorist tactics that day against another group who were exercising their constitutionally protected rights and their actions demonstrate that measures need to be taken against them?

How about you wait for the body to be in the ground from the Nazi terrorist attack that had nothing to do with Anti-Fa before starting the "What about Anti-Fa" routine? It is called having a modicum of common decency.

Originally posted by darthgoober
1. I'm not 100% assuming anything, I just know that there's reports that the Nazi group was pepper sprayed before they even entered the park and that Antifa has a history of pepper spraying people they don't like without provecation.

2. Why wait until the next attack? If such an attack occurs couldn't it be said that not addressing them emboldened them to engage in more acts of terrorism?

#1: You are. You want to talk about Antifa and it's members entirely as a collective, when not even every group of Antifa is responsible for the stupidity. Nobody has done anything but condemn the idiots, but are then the entire movement responsible for the actions of the few? This is the same point I raised during the Mouldylocks affair.... Antifa is vastly different from the Nazis, both in terms of scale and scope, and of how far they are willing to go. Demonstrably so.

#2: You confuse the points here. Antifa has not killed anyone. The Nazi's have. If you undercut the severity of murder, that is not ok. And because it is something as severe as murder, no, it is not ok to take attention off that just to have a go at Antifa. You may think this is wrong, and good on you for that, really, but no. Being seen as condoning deliberate murder of an innocent in any way shape or form will universally be condemned in my POV.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How about you wait for the body to be in the ground from the Nazi terrorist attack that had nothing to do with Anti-Fa before starting the "What about Anti-Fa" routine? It is called having a modicum of common decency.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: You are. You want to talk about Antifa and it's members entirely as a collective, when not even every group of Antifa is responsible for the stupidity. Nobody has done anything but condemn the idiots, but are then the entire movement responsible for the actions of the few? This is the same point I raised during the Mouldylocks affair.... Antifa is vastly different from the Nazis, both in terms of scale and scope, and of how far they are willing to go. Demonstrably so.

#2: You confuse the points here. Antifa has not killed anyone. The Nazi's have. If you undercut the severity of murder, that is not ok. And because it is something as severe as murder, no, it is not ok to take attention off that just to have a go at Antifa. You may think this is wrong, and good on you for that, really, but no. Being seen as condoning deliberate murder of an innocent in any way shape or form will universally be condemned in my POV.

Originally posted by darthgoober
This is becoming a rather involved discussion, what say we take it to the other thread since Bash still hasn't made it clear what we're supposed to talk about here?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
just a thread to discuss the terrorist attack at a charlottesville 'unite the right' nazi rally.

you @ss.

Originally posted by darthgoober
1. I'm not 100% assuming anything, I just know that there's reports that the Nazi group was pepper sprayed before they even entered the park and that Antifa has a history of pepper spraying people they don't like without provecation.

Wow, so reports are always correct and true; and if someone did something in the past, and that thing is done again in the future, the same person must have done it. Brilliant reasoning.

Originally posted by darthgoober
2. Why wait until the next attack? If such an attack occurs couldn't it be said that not addressing them emboldened them to engage in more acts of terrorism?

That is the same argument Anti-Fa uses against Nazis.