I'm going to have to go with Thor. Unless Cassandra has some more impressive showings than she had in those few issues of New X-men, I don't see what she can do to Thor that he wouldn't be able to handle.
I mean, the gravimetric bubble container was only claimed to be strong enough to hold The Juggernaut, it was never shown to be that durable. And while impressive, I was always under the impression that Thor was a good bit stronger than Cain but Cain was more durable.
And beating Gladiator really isn't that huge a feat since he was dealing with:
A. Discovering he had been manipulated and that there was corruption in the Shi'ar Empire.
B. Cassandra psychology (not psionically, just with plain old words) dealt him a heavy blow by revealing to him the exact devastation going on in the Empire at that moment.
For a guy who's entire powerset relies on his self esteem, it's no surprise that he crumpled.
She sucker punched Charles TPedly and that was just regular Jean Grey. She didn't start manifesting the Phoenix raptor until before the final confrontation between Nova in Charles' body and everyone and Mummudrai bodiless Nova pretty much cowered away from Jean when she started talking in black Phoenix text.
Then she got completely owned by Charles when she tried to touch every mutant mind on Earth to find Charles there.
sucker punched him? care to elaborate ? it was a fair fight. jean had already manifested telekinetic sensitivity - as early as fantomex's first appearence - and this had already been explicitly linked to the PF remanifesting in her body on panel.
Charles wasn't aware of even the concept of Nova's existence until the first time he was in Cerebra and she dealt the first blow right then and there. He still wasn't aware of Cassandra's actual competency up until she reached Cerebra herself and used the moments before Emma snapped her body's neck to take over Charles and trap him in her body.
The next time they encounter each other was at the end of that arc and Charles soundly curbstomped her.
And no, when Jean first remanifested her Telekinesis it was explained as being part of the Secondary mutation event that was occuring to all mutants. We didn't know she was reconnecting with the Phoenix Force until the U-Men attacked the Institute under orders of John Sublime. That was when she first manifested the Phoenix Raptor and after Nova/Xavier had started its infiltration of the Shi'ar.
nova beat chuck and jean's mind attacks back when she first strolled through the mansion - the scene in which cyclops was locked in his black bug room - chcuck comments on her boobytrapping her mind.
when chuck destroyed her mind she was already completely off her game and didnt even see it coming until it was too late.
it was stated on panel that telekinetic sensistivity is one of the diagnostic signs of PF manifestation known by the shiar. it was in the scene in which she feels the cutlery with her tk in the fantomex issue of new x-men, if Im not mistaken.
And I'd say that Charles was himself off balance from Nova's earlier assaults but I guess we'll just agree to disagree here and say that both of them had curbstomp moments for each other.
I'll have to find and read the Fantomex issue, but I still assert that Jean wasn't really connected to the Force until after the U-men incident, especially when you look at her personality and behavior before and after the event.
What issue did Charles curbstomp Nova in? Jean split his mind and put it in every mutant. She used the Phoenix Force to rip Nova from Charles body.
And you're right Jean was manifesting her Phoenix Potential at the beggining of Morrisons run.
They only way they could beat Cassandra was to trick her.
Umm actually Jean was losing her humanity before the U-Man event hence Scotts affair with Emma. The PF was the sudden explanation for her regaining her telekinesis which she lost during the switch with Psylocke.
Well, you'd have to define trick. Jean scattered Xavier's consciousness across all of the remaining mutants because even with the nano-sentinels destroyed by Xorn, she still couldn't contain all of his mind.
Cassandra then plugged herself into Cerebra and got sucker punched/curbstomped by Xavier who was waiting for her.
And then Jean actually manifested the Phoenix Force and forcibly removed Cassandra.
Cassandra was already on the ropes and falling apart; the only real trick came from Emma who trapped her in that Imperial Guardsmen but it only really changed the situation from Charles and Phoenix Jean from killing Cassandra to simply re-educating her.
But she didn't actually show the Phoenix Raptor or even start worrying everyone until after the U-men assault. And I thought the affair didn't occur until around issue 136, which was a full 10 issues and some time in-universe after the whole Nova incident.
correct, I remember they could only beat her by tactics and plot device, but my memory of the details is blurry. the final scene I'm remebering is chuck emerging from cerebra and shoving his fingers into the skull of a perplex Nova, ****ing up her mind.
Cassandra did not get sucker punched by Xavier. Xavier didn't do a thing to her. The Phoenix Force did.
"White Hot Claws" that's the PF not Charles.
Both Jean and Charles couldn't do jack shit to after they forced her out of the body, they didn't know about Emma's plot they were as shocked as Beast when when she offered up the body. The only way they could beat Nova was too trap her.
The affair started before that in the annual.
Jean and Scotts marriage was in New X-Men 116. Jean magically gets her TK back at the beginning of his run which was due to the Phoenix Force.
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