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Originally posted by Galan007
It was always incomplete, HM never had the full power of the Worlogog, so he DID only have a fraction of it's full power..

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Originally posted by Galan007
Exactly how much more he gained is nothing but your own speculation, as the power gain was never stated.

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Originally posted by Tazer
I never said it was complete, however *YOU* were the 1 who stated that it was a "TINY FRACTION".......where U not?

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Originally posted by Tazer
not exactly: we saw how much he took in that scan YOU PROVIDED, and in #13 the 'gog he presents to Metron is much larger.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Ok, HM had a tiny fraction, then he gained a small fraction of the Worlogog. Is that better?

We don't know how much he gained, so it's impossible to say it was alot more.

All we know for sure is the Worlogog was still incomplete.

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Originally posted by Galan007
So your basing your opinion off of what you think the Worlogog's power was?

It was never stated how much of a boost HM received, so anything you are trying to say about that incident, is just speculation and opinion.

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Originally posted by Tazer
I wouldnt say it was small; the art doesnt support that description.

not complete sure, but def not small.

my current point is that HM1M accomplished the feat in question with more than U claimed he did.

and while it IS speculation, its speculation supportd by the art. saying it was *small*, is NOT supportd by the art.

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Originally posted by Galan007
So your claims are only supported by the art on the page?

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Originally posted by Galan007
Well by that accord,

You might claim it looked like a big piece of the Worlogog, while I might claim it looked like a small piece, and neither of us would be wrong.

But all that is for certain is that the Worlogog was incomplete.

Who really knows how much more power would have been needed to make it complete?

Since it's speculatory, it really cannot be debated properly IMO.

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Originally posted by Tazer
well, I assume U did too when ya claimed he only originally kept a TINY FRACTION, yet HM himself says simply A FRACTION.

but wat we SAW him originally take did in fact look "TINY"..

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Originally posted by Tazer
but then that would ignore the fact that we've seen both the original AND the incomplete copy.....and the size doesnt look to be much diff.

however the piece he originally took DID LOOK DIFF.

so again, my point is based of the art as evidenced in ish's #1 & #13.

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Originally posted by Galan007
It looked like a bigger piece to you.

Just because you thought it was a bigger piece doesn't make it true.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Since a specific power gain was NEVER stated, we cannot assume how great of a gain it might have been.

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Originally posted by Tazer
again, my stance is supportd by the art (which U provided); the object he presentd was approximate in size to the original 'gog.

and given the size of it that lookd to be deconstructed when he said thats wat he was doing.......

and again, U also must have gone by the art since U assumed he only kept "the TINY FRACTION".



we can safely assume it was more than that which U said he had.

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Originally posted by Galan007
For arguments sake,

I'll retract my tiny fraction statement, and say HM had a fraction of the Worlogog's power, which still enabled him to stop a Big Bang easily.

Happy?

But remember it was still an incomplete Worlogog, and we have NO idea how much more power would have been required to make it complete.

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Originally posted by Tazer
and that THAT FEAT had in fact been duplicated by GL-Kyle.

that doesnt make a GL-ring = a full power 'gog or anything, but it can safely be said a GL-ring is atleast demonstrated to be as powerful as an incomplete 'gog.

do U agree or disagree?

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Originally posted by Tazer
I wouldnt call it a momentary feat seeing as how the energy from Imperiex wouldve HAD to go somewhere.....so for me wat Kyle is more of a 2-tiered action.

granted tho, its not the same as wat HM1M did.

however for my money that still doesnt show 1 being more powerful, inasmuch as it is power applied differently to achieve the same result.

so still: incomplete 'gog = GL-ring as thats not really proof of something it CANT do.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Kyle's feat was momentary though.

Kyle only had to stop that Big Bang long enough for the others to launch an attack on Imperiex.

Whereas Hourman froze a Big Bang for ALL time.

So even if Kyle could have halted that Big Bang forever, he never showed the ability to do so.

Which is why I still say,

Hourman's feat > Kyle's feat.

That's just my opinion though.

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Originally posted by Tazer
Kyle contained an explosion that was supposed to reboot the universe, and then did something with that energy.

HM1M froze a big bang, and then left it there.

if U wanna call 1 feat bigger/better than the other, fine. I can go along w/that.

however just to be clear thats not an admission of Kyle (or ANY GL for that matter) NOT BEING ABLE to do so, just evidence that he DIDNT.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Fair enough.

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Originally posted by Tazer
ok, so now that we have THAT hammered out.....wat took ya so long to reply?

trouble finding that Kyle feat??