In-story examples of characters with no previous feats dealing with Akuma and that being the most flawed use of ''story context'' I've ever come across in these forums, your insistence in bringing up younger versions of characters, trying to dismiss feats like in your very last post for this thread (which, meh, I won't bother answering) where you argue some endings and cutscenes as being ''obscure and glamorized'' despite those being the best possible samples of a gaming character exhibiting its abilities outside of a unquantifiable and often non-reliable source such as game mechanics. Both me and Darkstorm have dealt with pretty much all of these points you keep repeating two weeks ago and I could even highlight the quotes which you may have overlooked for the sake of circular reasoning, but I don't feel like doing so if you want you can read through the last few pages since you necroed this old thread.
Akuma was trying to kill his brother, and he even had that red glowing aura around his fist when Gouken blocked one of his punches. And that video is more canon than any outdated back story you may have read in some random fan-made faq.
I could also stick with this and say how Akuma could waste most of the cast of his own game of origin, along with most of KOF, Mortal Kombat and Tekken all by himself... and I could assure a good chunk of people with some decent knowledge on these games would agree with my point of view, but that is not the question asked by the OP in the first place so I'm not gonna waste my time on this.
If you ask me how did I come to this conclusion it's pretty simple, I don't need to see a grizzly bear slaughtering a bunch of poodles to know how easily the big carnivore could do it... same with Akuma in relation to most of the characters in the casts of the listed games.
And regarding his speed in case you're curious, Akuma being able to leap from the bottom of the ocean to the surface in about 10 secs puts him at rougly 372 meters per second (given the average depth of sea) which is above the speed of sound. I would say it's quite a bit higher than merely ''pretty fast'' and also this should be well out of the range of those three regarding movement speed.
Besides an object moving at anywhere close to 100m/s would be already imperceptible to the human eye, which is the best you can assume for Goenitz based on gameplay feats.
Like I said before and now once again, Akuma is the faster of the two.
Akuma not only survived that explosion but he was also unfazed and unscathed. In order to throw someone out of concentration you'd need to stun or at very least faze the guy. And to say Goenitz would be successful at that is no better than assuming he has at his disposal an attack more powerful than the forest busting one, which I dare to say he does not. His best attack so far would be like a punch from a 2 year old girl to Akuma and his regular ones including projectiles and desperation moves would be pretty much like a fly landing on Akuma's face. And just to add, trying to grab or even get close to an opponent so much stronger than you is not a wise thing to do either.
And what's really worth a laugh is the fact you cannot PROVE Akuma had to charge and much less there's no way in the hell you could prove it was a focused attack or anything along those lines.
And there comes the hypocrisy. How do you know he wasn't charging or meditating before he used that attack on the stadium? That speculative crap works pretty well for both sides as you can see now.
And it was under water: it's safe to assume that he's even faster on a normal battlefield.
That was also a duability feat: a normal man blood vessels would burst from the sudden changes in blood pressure. And there are also the apnea and the sea pressure...
Sorry for the OT... Ryu has not so many feats, but "survived a fight with Gouki and actually impressed him" is one hell of a feat!
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To be technical I first posted about 3 months ago.. so how or why is story context flawed to you? I’ve explained the reason I use such methods and not just only feats, since all of you defending akuma want to make this thread very one-sided, I’m simply arguing that is not the case. Though you’re insistence on it being so is mostly what keeps me replying. The cut scenes I argue are the ones you posted, where akuma sinks the island, you see it very black and white (he punched it with his fist at base form), am I right? That doesn’t look like it at all to me, if you look at it closer, it shows ryu having a dialogue with akuma (while akuma’s aura radiates around him and his eyes glow, this is base form right? Cause he’s ALWAYS like that?), then akuma striking the floor, that looks like a powered up move, since akuma no longer has to hold back after his handicapped defeat agains ryu, yet you argue “that’s his base form” riiiighhhhttt … then we have the one where he shoots some dark power beam up into the stratosphere and he takes about 4 seconds to do it, and if you see the video again you can clearly see there’s rumbling, birds flying, then the beam, leaving a chance for an attack were he to try this move, my argument would be, is he invulnerable here? As you insist he cannot be countered or moved or anything... then you posted the other video(intro) one where he fights gouken, and that’s the one I called “glamorized” since it doesn’t seem canon and you’ve not explained if it is or not.. because according to the story (you know the source that decides if it is canon or not) it’s stated that gouken was in a coma or was buried alive... Fact of the matter, he was physically present but unconscious... how would that happen if he’s sunk at the bottom of a volcano? Neither you nor DS have dealt with that, though DSZ hasn’t been here to help you much anyway, so I ask YOU good sir..
Um… how is that same video of gouken and akuma fighting at a volcano canon again? It’s never stated in the story and in the video it’s safe to say that gouken fell into the volcano? Maybe he crawled back out? But he was supposed to be unconscious was he not? Aside from that you go on to say, I get my sources from “fan-made faqs” wow… dude you are in some serious trip man… if anything I’ve stated is incorrect or not credible please by all means, feel free to correct me…
You’re “not wasting your time” on saying akuma can “could waste most of the cast of his own game of origin, along with most of KOF, Mortal Kombat and Tekken all by himself” but you just had to type that didn’t you? Haha!! And I’m sure a lot of people would agree with your point of view (since akuma’s a more popular character) but this isn’t a popularity contest, this is a discussion... and so far I’ve stuck to it without resorting to stuff like this... though it’s very funny haha!!
Now you’re comparing akuma to a grizzly and every other character as poodles? Haha!! I don’t even have to ask how you came up with this conclusion; your posts illustrate why very well…
If akuma moves at the speed of sound, why doesn’t he ever do it? Are we to believe he did with oro? Are we to believe oro did so as well, when they fought, even though oro’s never shown that type of capability? In all the videos you’ve posted there’s no evidence he’s ever moved that fast (except for that one sub-destroying ending video) but we don’t see if he can do it without powering up or not, this is why I say it’s “obscure” his aura envelopes him, his eyes glow again, then we see him fly through a ship.. Or something like that, while yelling some move name, maybe he can only move that fast during this move? Since he’s never done it since, but if you want delude yourself, go for it…
I’ve stated goenitz is imperceptible to the human eye, simply because he actually dematerializes, not just in gameplay but in the cut scenes as well… and almost instantly appears elsewhere… which makes him intangible as well as unpredictable of where he’ll reappear, just a small ability he possesses..
Akuma is faster physically but goenitz is not using his own physical strength to do much of anything anyway, he’s using his dam powers… like I said before...
Akuma survived the explosion... yes incredibly he did, he survived an explosion of his own energy, wow that’s insane!!!… It’s like how goenitz survived the hurricane he created (which could probably destroy as many trees as akuma did), you know what else of akuma’s survived? His clothing and prayer beads, his cool attire… How do you explain those survived? And what’s more important, why do you think this would make him invulnerable? Do you believe there’s a force field keeping him in protective sphere as he does this attack? I doubt you’re even sure since you think that he can be hit “his best attack so far would be like a punch from a 2 old girl” implying he can be hit… but If so, prove it please, I’d like to see the reason for his 4 seconds of “pre-mega-hadou-beam-explosion invincibility”… if we were to go by that logic, then everyone’s best attack can only be trumped by an even greater attack, ruling out skill, experience, and special abilities... because none of those are feats… right?
What’s also worth a laugh is that you still haven’t proved why this wasn’t a “focused attack or anything along those lines”… I’ve stated my reasons why this is a focused attack and/or are glamorized scenes you’ve showed me… I’m waiting for your side of it, other than, “he was at his base form!!”
I suppose it’s possible he was charging or meditating (though he’s never been said to meditate), maybe even praying since he’s suppose to be some kind of priest, but other than that, if you pass it with any team as chizuru’s telling the story she says she “feels him coming” and then goenitz appears, along with the hurricane… so much for your theory huh?
I'm not gonna waste even one more second of my time explaining anything to you, and much less in an old thread like this. Seriously, you already gave your opinion, so have I, and so did everyone else who bothered posting here. It's time to move on. There's a lot of new and more interesting threads made in these last two weeks in case you didn't notice. (please log in to view the image)
Well that's just rude.. Haha!! Ok well cool.. You don't have to explain (if what you were doing counts as it, with your animal comparisons and your physics measures of akuma's strength) and yes, i have noticed, i just cannot get on as often as i want to here... But If your done then yeah sure, move along
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Sep 19th, 2011 10:34 PM
so how or why is story context flawed to you? I’ve explained the reason I use such methods and not just only feats, since all of you defending akuma want to make this thread very one-sided, I’m simply arguing that is not the case. Though you’re insistence on it being so is mostly what keeps me replying. 
The cut scenes I argue are the ones you posted, where akuma sinks the island, you see it very black and white (he punched it with his fist at base form), am I right? That doesn’t look like it at all to me, if you look at it closer, it shows ryu having a dialogue with akuma (while akuma’s aura radiates around him and his eyes glow, this is base form right? Cause he’s ALWAYS like that?), then akuma striking the floor, that looks like a powered up move, since akuma no longer has to hold back after his handicapped defeat agains ryu, yet you argue “that’s his base form” riiiighhhhttt … then we have the one where he shoots some dark power beam up into the stratosphere and he takes about 4 seconds to do it, and if you see the video again you can clearly see there’s rumbling, birds flying, then the beam, leaving a chance for an attack were he to try this move, my argument would be, is he invulnerable here? As you insist he cannot be countered or moved or anything... then you posted the other video(intro) one where he fights gouken, and that’s the one I called “glamorized” since it doesn’t seem canon and you’ve not explained if it is or not.. because according to the story (you know the source that decides if it is canon or not) it’s stated that gouken was in a coma or was buried alive... Fact of the matter, he was physically present but unconscious... how would that happen if he’s sunk at the bottom of a volcano? Neither you nor DS have dealt with that, though DSZ hasn’t been here to help you much anyway, so I ask YOU good sir.. 
