Vader vs. TOR Jedi strike team

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That's where I put them too.

And I'm not saying they aren't - Vader is high tier 8, Yoda is tier 9.
Revan, Darth Krayt, and Jacen Solo sneak in between those two tiers.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The motion that placing Revan above Vader is a display of bias is lolworthy.

Revan should be approaching Yoda tier in terms of Force power. 👆

Yoda > Revan > Vader in Force Power. 👆

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I love how Ant and Legend just spam "concession accepted" to avoid debates.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The motion that placing Revan above Vader is a display of bias is lolworthy.

Revan should be approaching Yoda tier in terms of Force power. 👆


Son, I said Vader and Revan were in the same tier, and LeGenD countered with,

Revan>Vader.

because he believes Revan is at least as powerful as, if not stronger, than Yoda because of the Star Forge.

I said nothing about their placement in said tier because it's not relevant to this conversation. They are both far above this team.

I mean Vader is better than Revan, but that's besides the point...

Stigma Herald of the Judgement
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I mean Vader is better than Revan, but that's besides the point...
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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I've seen it, and commented on what I saw in it, but I didn't watch it?

You should watch it again because you are not recalling its events correctly. As an example, I had to remind you that HoT attacked Tol Braga first.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm not sure if you're serious right now, but if you think someone is able to put up shields, which is what stops TK, while they are using their abilities to enhance acrobatics and their saber strikes, then well, all the power to you.

Why do you think that this is impossible? HoT is not an ordinary Jedi.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No he didn't. He had to wait for the HoT to jump in the air and attack him, just like the HoT did all over that planet, come to think of it.

You make this sound like as if Tol Braga was expecting an attack from HoT and was ready for it. I am not denying Braga's vigilance but I get the impression that HoT attempted to overwhelm Braga with swift action but Braga was capable of stopping HoT mid-action. And this is a rare occurrence; I have not seen an individual successfully stopping HoT mid-action barring Braga and Vitiate. Therefore, I find Braga's feat impressive and it most likely requires great Force-using ability.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lulz. According to what? The HoT being in a duel period with someone not a one-off is also a rare occurrence.

It is unwise to assume 'player choices' as being official.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You can't logically assume someone is using the Force in several different ways all at once, with their full power behind them. Especially when it's never been shown anywhere else.

Multi-tasking in manipulation of the Force is not a far-fetched assumption. Examples include Count Dooku, Satele Shan, Darth Malgus, Aryn Leener, Revan, and Vitiate.

I do not doubt HoT's ability to multi-task since he is recognized as the most powerful Jedi of his era.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nice. Didn't add a bit to this conversation.

It reveals that a powerful and experienced Jedi is capable of performing 'extraordinary' feats.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Lulz. It's funny how you think extending a bridge is an amazing feat of TK on par with Vader. Yes, really, the HoT is so far bellow Vader it's hilarious.

Extending the bridge? You have been drinking or something?

HoT forcibly shut that huge bridge [with a thought] since an army was passing through it to reach his position. This feat demonstrates HoT's 'potential' in the use of the Force. If he can perform impressive actions with a thought, imagine what he can pull off with gestures.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Luz. Citation needed for everything besides the Hero of Tython was the most powerful Jedi during TOR, not even their era.

Some feats of Jedi who co-existed with HoT:

- Satele Shan toppled a gigantic tree while holding Malgus at bay with one hand, to create the opportunity to force Malgus away from her.

- Satele Shan destroyed a blast door with a simple touch.

- A Jedi Master collapsed two buildings around the position of Malgus in an effort to crush the Sith Lord beneath the rubble.

- Barsen'thor destroyed an enormous [and thick] blast door.

- Barsen'thor lifted and hurled an object [the size of a Bus] like a missile.

- Kao Cen Darach lifted a starship engine and hurled it like a missile towards Malgus.

- Orgus Din collapsed a section of a large cave with a [one-handed] gesture.

Now imagine what HoT can do.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's written with everything up to TOR as a reference, and it's not even a feat or accolade of any kind. It's just a statement that the current Sith are the strongest opponents they have ever faced. Do you even read these, or just copy and past off your hard drive?

It is still a long history covering many events [including the first Jedi purge] and the revelation implies that HoT is tremendously battle-tested.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Bullshit. The HoT's training has them more inclined to use the Force for strength augmentation, agility, and focus, which surprise, surprise, is really the only thing we have canonical and verifiable proof of them using the Force for.

You didn't get my point, it seems. HoT certainly uses the Force to augment his martial actions but he is (much) less likely to use the Force for destructive purposes in comparison to a Sith Lord.

Sith tend to be destructive in use of the Force because this is in their nature.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice

Case in point about what I said earlier.
Might be hard for you, but you could use actual combat showings.


These remarks were the result of his combat showings. Pwned. 😂

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Seriously, feats? Of any kind? Like at all? These four, after the strike team incident which could be almost a year prior, killing republic troops makes them on par with Vader how?

I have posted documented feats of Braga. I don't know much about the other two but each fought through the defenses of Vitiate's space station to reach his position and join HoT. All are recognized as among the most powerful Jedi of the Order, and are therefore logically capable of impressive feats.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Oookay. I forgot you're worse than Ant, for a few seconds.

Revan have superior showings in combat then Vader.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't think you know what a fact is. Facts usually have evidence, of any kind, behind them.

This is ironic. FACT is that the Jedi Strike Team in question comprised of some of the most powerful Jedi of the Order, and this should be enough for an individual with some intellectual capability to understand that these Jedi shouldn't be underestimated.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, no, you've argued literally every person called powerful and with a name is on par with Dooku, on multiple occasions. In this very conversation, you just argued that because the Jedi were being pressed now, the HoT was some type of Jedi god.

HoT [is] the most powerful Jedi of the Order in his era, stronger then Jedi who have feats on par with or superior to those of Vader. Clear enough?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What does this have to do with anything? At all? Even if it had a modicum of relevance, which it doesn't, we are discussing Legends.

It remains relevant since Disney regards SWTOR as an alternate universe. Even in Legends continuity, Anakin Skywalker had the highest potential among mortals [on record], and consistent Midi-chlorians testing began around 1000 BBY.

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