Originally posted by Digi
Dolos, quit spamming the thread with off-topic BS. Everyone else, please only engage him if the pseudo-babble is at least vaguely on topic.
I'd recommend users employ the ignore function, much like I had tried to do.
the frequency of new posts will go down, but the quality will rise exponentially. We can talk more about Syria 🙂
Originally posted by Digi
I saw the whole thing at one point, and disagree. Agreeing with someone doesn't mean they won, but I do think he "won" soundly.He had a wonderful interview on Bill Maher one time as well. Harris is consistently one of the most well-spoken atheist advocates out there. And he also doesn't command the hatred of Dawkins, Hitchens (RIP), and some others.
My personal favorites are Penn Jillette and Michael Shermer, but at least Shermer isn't quite as well known outside the skeptic community.
Haven't seen those 2. Will check them out for sure though. 👆
Originally posted by dadudemon
*Checks for moderator badge*http://www.whatlol.com/uploads/you_have_no_power_here_1099446685.jpg
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'll be good.
Aren't you, Digi?
I was a global. I voluntarily took a demotion, with the stipulation that one of the other comic mods be promoted in my place. Raz, in his wisdom, only demoted me and left the comic forums without a devoted global.
🙄
The few forums I can actually do stuff in aren't that active or troublesome. So I'm basically a regular member now; though I can still issue warnings and request bans (that usually go ignored these days due to lack of activity).
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Who, Craig or Harris? If you think it was Harris, then agree to disagree. IMO, Craig outdebated him, as he does to most atheists that are unfamiliar with his style of argument. Craig's arguments were more well-presented, even if Harris scored points on the "factual correctness" aspects of the debate.Haven't seen those 2. Will check them out for sure though. 👆
Fair enough.
Penn doesn't necessarily debate people in the same way as the Harris video. But he's awesomely blunt in his arguing. His show with Teller, "Bullsh*t" was magnificent. Ran on Showtime for 8 seasons. Tore all kinds of people new assh*les.
Shermer is EoC of Skeptic Magazine, and has his hand in a variety of skeptical and/or atheistic organizations and gatherings. He's also spoken at TED a couple times.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Speaking of spam, why isn't this ennin guy banned yet? He's a bajillion times worse than Dolos.
There's like .75 of a global mod active anymore. The mod lounge is a graveyard of requested bans that haven't happened.
Not their fault - we should have been able to transition to new leadership years ago. Nobody should be asked to stay active for literally a decade in some cases (I think I'm going on ~7 years as a mod). Raz's lack of oversight has slowly doomed the mods' ability to react accordingly.
Originally posted by Digi
There's like .75 of a global mod active anymore. The mod lounge is a graveyard of requested bans that haven't happened.Not their fault - we should have been able to transition to new leadership years ago. Nobody should be asked to stay active for literally a decade in some cases (I think I'm going on ~7 years as a mod). Raz's lack of oversight has slowly doomed the mods' ability to react accordingly.
Originally posted by Digi
I was a global. I voluntarily took a demotion, with the stipulation that one of the other comic mods be promoted in my place. Raz, in his wisdom, only demoted me and left the comic forums without a devoted global.🙄
The few forums I can actually do stuff in aren't that active or troublesome. So I'm basically a regular member now; though I can still issue warnings and request bans (that usually go ignored these days due to lack of activity).
Fair enough.
Penn doesn't necessarily debate people in the same way as the Harris video. But he's awesomely blunt in his arguing. His show with Teller, "Bullsh*t" was magnificent. Ran on Showtime for 8 seasons. Tore all kinds of people new assh*les.
Shermer is EoC of Skeptic Magazine, and has his hand in a variety of skeptical and/or atheistic organizations and gatherings. He's also spoken at TED a couple times.
I remember a time where talk like this got warnings and bans. My how things have changed around here.
Why don't theists ever bring up the mathematical impossibility of the cosmological constant as being a plausible product of randomocity?
They never use it, yet the cosmological constant is the strongest case they could have made. Although, now a days even the cosmological constant wouldn't work, as M Theory has brought up infinity, in infinity everything occurs and could occur from randomocity.
But still, the cosmological constant are theist's best argument, so it baffles me that they NEVER use it.
Originally posted by Dolos
Why don't theists ever bring up the mathematical impossibility of the cosmological constant as being a plausible product of randomocity?
They do...all the time...and it is refuted as being evidence of God, all the time, but both Theists and Atheists.
One thing you will see some Theists do is protest the use of evidence for God because that defeats the purpose of faith and being "here." I don't agree with that line of reasoning but it is something some people fight against.
Originally posted by dadudemonIt's sort of irrational thought.
They do...all the time...and it is refuted as being evidence of God, all the time, but both Theists and Atheists.One thing you will see some Theists do is protest the use of evidence for God because that defeats the purpose of faith and being "here." I don't agree with that line of reasoning but it is something some people fight against.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I browsed a couple of his older posts, and a mod(lil bitchiness) seems to have a serious beef with him. Can't she just ban his ass, or is there some specific procedure required to go through? Or only a select few mods are capable of handing out bannings?
All mods can ban people within a window of their account creation. It's for obvious trolls, socks, ad spammers, etc. Past that window, it needs to be a global. Lil B is still active? Haven't seen her in forever.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I remember a time where talk like this got warnings and bans. My how things have changed around here.
Indeed.
Originally posted by Dolos
Why don't theists ever bring up the mathematical impossibility of the cosmological constant as being a plausible product of randomocity?They never use it, yet the cosmological constant is the strongest case they could have made. Although, now a days even the cosmological constant wouldn't work, as M Theory has brought up infinity, in infinity everything occurs and could occur from randomocity.
But still, the cosmological constant are theist's best argument, so it baffles me that they NEVER use it.
What DDM said is true. This argument is invoked a LOT by theists. It's insufficient for a number of reasons, but remains the basis for belief for many.
Originally posted by Digi
All mods can ban people within a window of their account creation. It's for obvious trolls, socks, ad spammers, etc. Past that window, it needs to be a global. Lil B is still active? Haven't seen her in forever.
Well, we actually DID get him to stop at one point. I even made him his own thread, so there wasn't a bunch of thread-spam on the front page. But it only lasted so long.
I think that was the answer originally. But by the time the problem resurfaced, no one was around to enforce it, and I'm almost out of ****s to give.
Originally posted by Dolos
Why don't theists ever bring up the mathematical impossibility of the cosmological constant as being a plausible product of randomocity?They never use it, yet the cosmological constant is the strongest case they could have made. Although, now a days even the cosmological constant wouldn't work, as M Theory has brought up infinity, in infinity everything occurs and could occur from randomocity.
But still, the cosmological constant are theist's best argument, so it baffles me that they NEVER use it.
I did on page 424, in my thread entitled "Can you handle the Truth?", on Aug 1st, 2013 at 12:16 AM (see below).
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Lestov16 , I have another interesting concept to share with you. It's referred to as the Cosmological Constant.Again, the basic premise of the Cosmological Constant is that these constants i.e. Planck's Constant, the Boltzman Constant, the Gravitational Constant and others--which even if one had failed to, the universe couldn't exist or support life-- came into existence simultaneously with the universe.
The human cell in all of its complexity, the sophisticated human eye, the heart, the brain, nerves, the earth's atmosphere, plants, multiplied by all of the life that exists and the laws that govern time, space, and matter, mathematics, physics, and the energy, power, intelligence, and wisdom that it took to bring of all this into existence--declares the glory of God.
Jeremiah 10:12
12 He has made the earth by His power,
He has established the world by His wisdom,
And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion.Jeremiah 32:17
17 ‘Ah, Lord God! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and outstretched arm. There is nothing too hard for You.Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14455799#post14455799
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=122#post14450424
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Originally posted by dadudemon
One thing you will see some Theists do is protest the use of evidence for God because that defeats the purpose of faith and being "here." I don't agree with that line of reasoning but it is something some people fight against.
That did always seem odd to me. How many Christian sects aren't based on faith? One of the things that has allowed for religion's longevity is the emphasis it places on faith, and how it's rewarded as a virtue despite evidence and occasionally even in the face of evidence.
It's easy to look from the outside and see this as folly. But why are those same groups trying to rationalize their belief. Faith is literally unassailable from an intellectual perspective. I can't attack it legitimately because it's intrinsic and subjective. It's, frankly, the best argument theists have. When they try to meet non-theists on the field of empiricism, logic, evidence, etc., THAT'S when they fall on their face.
This is pretty great. Mr. Deity, Michael Shermer - frequent collaborators - get together to talk about skepticism. Even more than atheism, this is a group, or rather method and way of thinking, I can really support.
