What feat indicates that he is superman's equal? Needing to amp himself temporarily to match superman twice or failing to onepunch superman with weakness exploitation while he himself has been onepunched by a beaten j'onn or shouting in pain in their handshake. Yes jake he has always started his fights with a suckerpunch, in first eclipso fight superman was fighting JLI when he attacked him from behind, in superman/batman he started with a speeding suckerpunch to head, in virtue and vice he suckerpunched after gaining momentum etc. The only exceptions are Man of steel 102 and POS 46 where superman was trying to calm him down and marvel was frothing from mouth.
It's going to take a lot from either man to hurt the other, imo. Even in that fight they were hitting each other without it seeming to do any significant damage.
When he has amped twice? He's only amped explicitly once, and that was when they arm wrestled and considering Cap has never had to use Atlas' strength to hang with Superman physically before it really doesn't mean jack. Further more, his powerset compliments itself. Is Superman stronger than Hercules? Yes. But while Hercules is the primary benefactor of Cap's strength, the Power of Zeus and Stamina of Atlas work in conjunction in contributing to Cap's overall physical prowess, which, in totality, makes him equal to Superman. You want to say Superman's gotten better as time progressed? Yeah, so has Cap. Superman not getting one shotted by someone in his strength class with magically enhanced fists holding back is a high end feat and Cap being one shotted by J'onn is likewise a high end showing for the Martian while not being one of Cap's.
Superman would know who his equals are better than you and I, and considering he inhabited the same body as Captain Marvel and almost lost his Kryptonian cookies over the staggering level of power Cap weilded, that statement, coupled with the fact that it's not the first time he's said that, combined with the fact that Cap routinely matches Superman leads me and most people to think that barring some insane high end out of the norm circumstances, yeah, Superman and Cap are equals. The company and most of its writers agree. You can disagree with them and dislike it, but again, that's just the reality of the situation.
I generally view Cap the same way I view Darkseid or Orion. They're always going to be written as peers of Superman at least in some relative sense regardless of feats/amps, tbh.
So if we go by character statements then almost everyone in JLA is more powerful than entire league. So when cap catches someone's fists he surrounds his hands with lightning, eh? He was sweating profusely when he added atlas' stamina into his strength, it's safe to assume that his durability was lowered when he did that. So everything in which cap failed is a low showing for him while a high showing for others. Cap failing to ko superman is a high showing for superman once you show me him failing against BLUNT force of magic. It was due to magic that superman felt that way, he has held Spear of Destiny, absorbed an entire sun and never said "Whoa, its too much power". The same thing happened with Mjolnir due to magic.
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freeze breath, hv, more fighting experience, better fighting skill, and vibration through attack ability would give Superman the majority here.
No need to argue the strength debate.
If Cap dodges his own lightning then it hits nothing so what's the use? He can't make the lightning go anywhere but where he was standing when he said Shazam.
Plus I feel a little desperation here for CM. You obviously have him fighting in ways he never really has shown in a one on one situation. But I'll accept it.
Again, CM can't bombard Supes with Shazam bolts or lightning fueld quakes (since Superman could just stay in the air). His best chance is to physically strike Superman with an amped fist. But Superman can slow him with the freeze breath.
Your philosophy is wrong. This is not a comic fight where characters are shown not to be fighting at their best most of the time. So of course Superman would be shown to stalemate CM often. But in a forum fight is a different story. And Supes will own CM due to his extra versatility of HV, freeze breath, and of course vibrate through attack ability.
That's because Superman wasn't fighting at his best. We didn't see any of Supes freeze breath tactics, HV tactics, pressure point and martial art ability, vibrate through attacks, etc. when they faced. All we seen over 99% of the time was man to man physical fighting between the two. Get the point?
So you think freeze breath and blow breath will slow Marvel down for Supes, and yet in the other thread you dnt think Thor, with all his exotic powers and complete weather control and manipulation, could even deal with Supes speed??
Hmm interesting.. I might be sensing a bit of bias here
^Don't pay him any attention darth. But he is actually right, freeze breath has incapacitated Bizarro, when did Thor used his weather control to slow down a speedster?
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