Originally posted by quanchi112
maul does move around quicker than Sheev but he isn't as skilled or as powerful.
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So I guess Obi-Wan and Anakin are both faster than Mace and Palaptine, simply because Ewan and Hayden are faster swrodsmen than Samuel L and Ian McDiarmid?
You're a joke.
If you're going to use visuals for differences in speed, then at least use TCW.
Sidious is faster and more agile than Dooku whose faster and more agile than Kenobi whose equally as fast and agile as Maul. As clearly shown in their fights.
You're just trolling as usual, making baseless claims with nothing to back them up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What is this supposed to be ? This is just an exaggerated clip which is ridiculous.
It's a friggin scene from TCW episode Shadow Warrior.
It's not exaggerated or sped up. Dooku simply just moves faster than Anakin/Kenobi/Maul.
Deal with it instead of being a sore loser.
It's nothing to be ashamed of fro Maul, because unlike Maul Dooku pretty much reached his full potential.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi isn't as fast as Maul. Maul has always been greater than Kenobi and here we are once again at your ridiculous Abc logic land.
Says the guy using a pretty desperate long winded circular A>B>C>A himself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sheev won but he didn't stomp. A stomp is Anakin killing Dooku in record time.,
LOL Of course Sheev stomped. He was smashing Maul's body all over the place. He instantly TK'd him and Opress right at the beginning of the fight. He took on Maul and Opress together, and KO's Maul in the middle of that fight.
How's that anything BUT a Stomp? LMAO
Anakin had help against Dooku, and almost got taken out himself before he emerged victorious. So that's CLEARLY not a stomp.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ? Qui is no joke so do not disrespect him anymore.
Based on losing to Maul. TCW Kenobi is equal to Maul. TCW Kenobi can engage Maul and Opress together and still manage to chop one of them up, and have the other running.
Skywalker > Kenobi.
So Dooku engages and stalemates a much greater duo than Maul is capable of.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin lost to Kenobi skill wise
No he didn't. He lost to Kenobi because he made a stupidly arrogant leap. One Kenobi even begged him not to make, because it was literally a suicide leap. Which he would have known himself if he was in his right senses given he's proven himself throughout TCW to be a military genius.
Originally posted by quanchi112
and Maul has never been defeated skill wise so there goes your flimsy theory.
Kenobi handled him and Opress with superior skill. Dooku's skill > Kenobi's.
You keep losing at this LOL
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin killed Dooku.
LOL You keep repeating this like it has any relevance to anything. You have a go at me for a direct A>>B=C therefore A>C comparison when you're going off on a crazy desperate Maul beat Kenobi (which never actually happened in a fair fight post- AOTC) who beat Anakin (the guy he trained) who beat Dooku (with Kenobi's help for half the fight). Therefor Maul beats Dooku 😂
So shut up about my ABC logic you crazy fool.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda was temp ko'd and fled. He lost. So what ? Sheev had the higher ground and prevailed. Shame on Yoda.
Yoda was equal to Sids in Sabers and the Force (actually better in Sabers but whatever).
Dooku put up a far far better fight against Yoda than Maul did against Sheev.
So ALL the different fights Maul and Dooku have fought just keep favoring Dooku over Maul.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku beating Kenobi has nothing to do with Maul you hypocrite.
Of course it does, because Maul can't beat Kenobi.
And why am I a hypocrite Lol
I keep using DIRECT fight comparisons, while you're going around brining up completely irrelevant fights.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, after Dooku fanned the flames Anakin ended it quickly. At no point was Dooku fatigued. He fought over two opponents before and the majority of the fight was one on one. You're a fanboy.
Oh really? Script by George Lucas himself:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=614955&pagenumber=15#post15367812
"As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired. ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry."
Also note here how Anakin is Already ANYGRY before their final 1 on 1.
Script just notes he gets even more angry after that:
Anakin attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness.
The novel also confirms all of the above, except it really stresses how tired Dooku was getting. And the novel was line edited by Lucas.
So as usual I bring Evidence to the table where you bring unsubstantiated claims and fanboyism.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, and that's abc logic. Kenobi beat Anakin who beat Dooku, idiot.
Again your ABC logic is the idiotic one, comparing and opponent who Maul's never even faced LOL
At least I'm comparing opponents Maul and Dooku have directly faced.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, your exaggerations aren't proof.
LOL I'm the one who keeps bringing proof to the table. You're bringing nothing but unsubstantiated claims and fanboyism.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to superior skill not speed.
Both actually.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku doesn't waste movement and is superbly precise.
Another reason he will beat Maul.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ventress is faster but not as powerful or as skilled hence why she loses.
LOL Yeah she's so much faster that Dooku dances around her and Opress together.
Ventress isn't even as fast as Kenobi:
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^1:32-1:44
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sheev prevailed but he never stomped.
LOL Could you be more of a fanboy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sheev ko'd Yoda much faster than he beat Maul so irony.
Because Sidious never blasted Maul with FL until the end of the fight when he was torturing him.
But the first time he smacked Maul 1 v 1 Maul got KO'd.
Also Yoda didn't need help to fight Sidious. And even with help he still got Stomped. LOL @ the Fanboysim
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sheev beat Yoda.
Keep repeating irrelevant nonsense LMAO
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why because you say so. Vastly inferior opponents to Obi and Qui. 😂
Already addressed. Not that it needs to be because it's kind of obvious fanboy.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Maul spared his life to make him see his ex killed.
Sparing his life doesn't mean he needs to Run Away from him LOL.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your ignorance knows no bounds. Become familiar with the source material.
LOL Whose the one posting all the evidence?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Abc logic and absurd. Obi beat Anakin. 😂
He trained him LOL
Originally posted by quanchi112
Listen to their words. You said Lucas doesn't count in another thread, hypocrite.
No I didn't. I said the Official Site is actually more Official than Lucas's statements now. Try some reading comprehension.
And this coming from the guy who tried to desperately discount everything Lucas said as soon as Lucasfilm was sold to Disney. So Whose the Real hypocrite? LMAO
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul stomped oppress all the same. He did it with relative ease thus showing he is versatile.
But he can't defeat Kenobi.
Dooku on the other hand has Stomped Opress, Ventress and Kenobi.
Plus stalemated Kenobi and Anakin combined.
Not to mention performed much better against Yoda, than Maul did against Sidious.
Now that's some real versatility right there.
Maul honestly has no hope of winning this based on showings.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi isn't a rival and is Maul's inferior. You're an idiot.
Nah Maul can't beat Kenobi. They're equals.
I can see how frustrated you're getting trying to argue against my far superior SW Canon Knowledge and Objective arguments.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't. Anakin killed him, coulda, woulda, shoulda.
Because Anakin had help 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Youth, power, and skill were in Anakin's favor. It beat Dooku.
Anakin finally beat Dooku on his 6th attempt. And even that was with help.
You're not doing too well here are you?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul is greater than Anakin in a duel.
LOL
And here we get the crux of your argument. Which is continued Unsubstantiated Claims with Zero Evidence to back you up LMAO
Originally posted by quanchi112
You just continue to repost silly abc logic and dance away from the Kenobi comparison since Anakin lost to him but killed Dooku. Sit back in the corner with your bib on because you've been schooled.
😂
So now your argument is that I just keep reposting silly A>B=C arguments and continue to ignore you're even sillier A>B>C>D>A arguments.
Man you're terrible at this.
I've brought up multiple foes Dooku has beaten as proof, and compared a similar foe both have fought multiple times. Whilst all you keep bringing up is: "Anakin beat Dooku after fighting him for the 6th time and with Kenobi's help, and I have Zero evidence that Maul is even on Anakin's Level" LMAO
You're terrible at this and you've lost badly.
I'm waiting for your concession. Don't Troll Me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I have.
No, you haven't. You've just said he has athleticism and is younger so he wins when dooku has shown that he can successfully take down people who are younger than maul and have more force potential and more skill with a saber. Anakin, Obi wan, Savage(being younger). Dooku has dispatched them with ease to varying degrees. Dooku has the edge in the categories that really matter. The force and the lightsaber. We have both agreed Dooku has the edge in the Force. Dooku has greater versatility with the blade and has shown that whatever physical attacks he has Dooku can block and deflect it.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No, you haven't. You've just said he has athleticism and is younger so he wins when dooku has shown that he can successfully take down people who are younger than maul and have more force potential and more skill with a saber. Anakin, Obi wan, Savage(being younger). Dooku has dispatched them with ease to varying degrees. Dooku has the edge in the categories that really matter. The force and the lightsaber. We have both agreed Dooku has the edge in the Force. Dooku has greater versatility with the blade and has shown that whatever physical attacks he has Dooku can block and deflect it.
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Great points.
And 100% right that Quan hasn't proven anything except which character he prefers.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Along with Maul's feats of taking on Windu, Sheev, being superior to Kenobi, beating Pre Vizsla, etc.
No, you haven't. You've just said he has athleticism and is younger so he wins when dooku has shown that he can successfully take down people who are younger than maul and have more force potential and more skill with a saber. Anakin, Obi wan, Savage(being younger). Dooku has dispatched them with ease to varying degrees. Dooku has the edge in the categories that really matter. The force and the lightsaber. We have both agreed Dooku has the edge in the Force. Dooku has greater versatility with the blade and has shown that whatever physical attacks he has Dooku can block and deflect it.
Dooku's force powers are exceptional but they don't matter against someone of Maul's caliber. No, he hasn't since he couldn't prevent Anakin from soundly defeating him before ridding him of his hands then head in that order.
Originally posted by Darth ThorI never said Ren beats Vader. I have to see the films to say so since I'm objective. I said I will more than likely enjoy him as a character more. I can't say definitively until I see the films. Why do you care so much ? Just because Tom Brady looked up to Joe Montana that doesn't mean he can't surpass him. (He has not but still) Quit being stupid.
Wait for the Kylo Ren vs Vader threads. He's already decided Ren wins. Even though Ren's clearly a Vader wannabe.
Originally posted by Darth ThorQuickness isn't the only factor.
😂So I guess Obi-Wan and Anakin are both faster than Mace and Palaptine, simply because Ewan and Hayden are faster swrodsmen than Samuel L and Ian McDiarmid?
You're a joke.
If you're going to use visuals for differences in speed, then at least use TCW.
Sidious is faster and more agile than Dooku whose faster and more agile than Kenobi whose equally as fast and agile as Maul. As clearly shown in their fights.
You're just trolling as usual, making baseless claims with nothing to back them up.
It's a friggin scene from TCW episode Shadow Warrior.
It's not exaggerated or sped up. Dooku simply just moves faster than Anakin/Kenobi/Maul.
Deal with it instead of being a sore loser.
It's nothing to be ashamed of fro Maul, because unlike Maul Dooku pretty much reached his full potential.
Says the guy using a pretty desperate long winded circular A>B>C>A himself.
LOL Of course Sheev stomped. He was smashing Maul's body all over the place. He instantly TK'd him and Opress right at the beginning of the fight. He took on Maul and Opress together, and KO's Maul in the middle of that fight.
How's that anything BUT a Stomp? LMAO
Anakin had help against Dooku, and almost got taken out himself before he emerged victorious. So that's CLEARLY not a stomp.
Based on losing to Maul. TCW Kenobi is equal to Maul. TCW Kenobi can engage Maul and Opress together and still manage to chop one of them up, and have the other running.
Skywalker > Kenobi.
So Dooku engages and stalemates a much greater duo than Maul is capable of.
No he didn't. He lost to Kenobi because he made a stupidly arrogant leap. One Kenobi even begged him not to make, because it was literally a suicide leap. Which he would have known himself if he was in his right senses given he's proven himself throughout TCW to be a military genius.
Kenobi handled him and Opress with superior skill. Dooku's skill > Kenobi's.
You keep losing at this LOL
LOL You keep repeating this like it has any relevance to anything. You have a go at me for a direct A>>B=C therefore A>C comparison when you're going off on a crazy desperate Maul beat Kenobi (which never actually happened in a fair fight post- AOTC) who beat Anakin (the guy he trained) who beat Dooku (with Kenobi's help for half the fight). Therefor Maul beats Dooku 😂
So shut up about my ABC logic you crazy fool.
Yoda was equal to Sids in Sabers and the Force (actually better in Sabers but whatever).
Dooku put up a far far better fight against Yoda than Maul did against Sheev.
So ALL the different fights Maul and Dooku have fought just keep favoring Dooku over Maul.
Of course it does, because Maul can't beat Kenobi.
And why am I a hypocrite Lol
I keep using DIRECT fight comparisons, while you're going around brining up completely irrelevant fights.
Oh really? Script by George Lucas himself:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=614955&pagenumber=15#post15367812
"As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired. ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry."
Also note here how Anakin is Already ANYGRY before their final 1 on 1.
Script just notes he gets even more angry after that:
Anakin attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness.
The novel also confirms all of the above, except it really stresses how tired Dooku was getting. And the novel was line edited by Lucas.
So as usual I bring Evidence to the table where you bring unsubstantiated claims and fanboyism.
Again your ABC logic is the idiotic one, comparing and opponent who Maul's never even faced LOL
At least I'm comparing opponents Maul and Dooku have directly faced.
LOL I'm the one who keeps bringing proof to the table. You're bringing nothing but unsubstantiated claims and fanboyism.
Both actually.
Another reason he will beat Maul.
LOL Yeah she's so much faster that Dooku dances around her and Opress together.
Ventress isn't even as fast as Kenobi:
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^1:32-1:44
LOL Could you be more of a fanboy.
Because Sidious never blasted Maul with FL until the end of the fight when he was torturing him.
But the first time he smacked Maul 1 v 1 Maul got KO'd.
Also Yoda didn't need help to fight Sidious. And even with help he still got Stomped. LOL @ the Fanboysim
Keep repeating irrelevant nonsense LMAO
Already addressed. Not that it needs to be because it's kind of obvious fanboy.
Sparing his life doesn't mean he needs to Run Away from him LOL.
LOL Whose the one posting all the evidence?
He trained him LOL
No I didn't. I said the Official Site is actually more Official than Lucas's statements now. Try some reading comprehension.
And this coming from the guy who tried to desperately discount everything Lucas said as soon as Lucasfilm was sold to Disney. So Whose the Real hypocrite? LMAO
But he can't defeat Kenobi.
Dooku on the other hand has Stomped Opress, Ventress and Kenobi.
Plus stalemated Kenobi and Anakin combined.
Not to mention performed much better against Yoda, than Maul did against Sidious.
Now that's some real versatility right there.
Maul honestly has no hope of winning this based on showings.
In tcw Sheev was faster but I place a greater emphasis on real time. In rots we see men with Sheev masks on doing the swordplay minus the close ups with the actor.
Sheev is greater than Dooku. No one would say otherwise and he's better than Maul anyways. I never said otherwise. Maul's movements on the big screen are faster but that doesn't change the outcome which is pretty obvious.
Dooku isn't faster he uses more precise movements. We see Anakin is clearly faster just not as precise nor does he have the force power Anakin has.
Maul is greater than Dooku in a duel. Just accept it already, fanboy.
You're the king of using abc logic.
He proved superior but no he stomped the council members. He beat a rival here. Anakin won. I could say that Maul almost took Sheev out but unlike you I don't deal in coulda woulda shouldas.
Maul is tremendous to losing to him is no low moment. Kenobi was force pushed into defeat. Kenobi fled from him one on one because Maul taunted and then exploited him.
Kenobi beat Skywalker. Facts.
He had minutes to best him. He failed to even injure him. He made a critical error and lost. You make excuses which is the way of the fanboy. Kenobi won. Deal with it.
Maul force pushes him away beating him.
Anakin killed him. Accept it.
Yoda lost. Who cares ? Yoda was beaten twice. Windu beat Sheev. 😆
Maul has beaten Kenobi and Anakin didn't beat Kenobi you ****.
Maul was the alpha male with both he and Dooku in the same comics. 😂
So your evidence suggests in under a few minutes Dooku tires thus he tires easily. Advantage Maul. Well done, dummy. Thanks for arguing for a huge advantage for Maul with his endurance and stamina edge.
Kenobi doesn't fight like Maul. Maul has always been greater than Kenobi. Quit lying to yourself.
Irony.
He tires easily as your new evidence proves very quickly. 😂
Ventress is quicker movement wise but less skilled. Movement doesn't equate to saber skill.
You don't know what a stomp is.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Windu never gave him the chance to tag him with FL. Yoda needed help since he failed. Windu had Sheev at his mercy. 😂
Concession accepted.
With Hondo's men around. Maul beat him with the force push. Again.
So ? Sheev trained Maul. Oh the irony.
Lucas directed the film which is still canon. Do not ignore the obvious truth to it, fanboy.
He has always beaten Kenobi. He spares his life because he wants him to suffer. Ventress had Anakin and Kenobi at her mercy with a force choke. 😂
Originally posted by Darth ThorSkill wise he's beaten him every time. You're a liar. You have bias and illogical arguments.
Nah Maul can't beat Kenobi. They're equals.I can see how frustrated you're getting trying to argue against my far superior SW Canon Knowledge and Objective arguments.
Because Anakin had help 😂
Anakin finally beat Dooku on his 6th attempt. And even that was with help.
You're not doing too well here are you?
LOL
And here we get the crux of your argument. Which is continued Unsubstantiated Claims with Zero Evidence to back you up LMAO
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So now your argument is that I just keep reposting silly A>B=C arguments and continue to ignore you're even sillier A>B>C>D>A arguments.
Man you're terrible at this.
I've brought up multiple foes Dooku has beaten as proof, and compared a similar foe both have fought multiple times. Whilst all you keep bringing up is: "Anakin beat Dooku after fighting him for the 6th time and with Kenobi's help, and I have Zero evidence that Maul is even on Anakin's Level" LMAO
You're terrible at this and you've lost badly.
I'm waiting for your concession. Don't Troll Me.
Anakin killed him one on one. Yoda had help against Dooku and despite his easily tiring body he still resisted Yoda. Loser.
Anakin beat him one on one and Sheev admitted he was more powerful and younger. Canon. I am arguing via statements from Sheev himself.
Watch his battles and unlike Anakin Maul has always had Kenobi's number.
Abc logic isn't relevant to how these two match up since the styles are contrasting. You brought up evidence that Dooku tires easily and quickly. Maul beats the old man who according to the script tires easily.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Skill wise he's beaten him every time. You're a liar. You have bias and illogical arguments.
Show me the superior skill. Bring it don't sing it. I'll show you Kenobi showing the superior combat skill against Maul and Opress combined.
My arguments are very logical and objective. Yours reek of fanboyism.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin killed him one on one. Yoda had help against Dooku and despite his easily tiring body he still resisted Yoda. Loser.
Dooku's stalemated Anakin and Kenobi together in TCW. The same TCW where Maul can't take Kenobi on his own.
Yoda had help? What? Are you delusional now?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin beat him one on one and Sheev admitted he was more powerful and younger. Canon. I am arguing via statements from Sheev himself.
And what you don't think Anakin was more powerful than Kenobi? LOL
Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch his battles and unlike Anakin Maul has always had Kenobi's number.
Oh I have and Kenobi handled Maul and Opress clearly displaying superior skill together in their last fight. I take it you switched off during that fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Abc logic isn't relevant to how these two match up since the styles are contrasting.
No REAL ABC is relevant. What's not relevant is your Imaginary ABC:
I IMAGINE Maul beating Vos, and Vos beat Dooku one time.
I IMAGINE Maul beating Anakin, and Anakin beat Dooku one time.
LOL Do you realise now how you're being not only hypocritical in your arguments, but seriously idiotic?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You brought up evidence that Dooku tires easily and quickly. Maul beats the old man who according to the script tires easily.
He gets tired fighting off 2 really powerful opponents simultaneously, one equal to Maul and one more Powerful to Maul. And yet he still stomps the one equal to Maul LOL
Originally posted by quanchi112
Along with Maul's feats of taking on Windu, Sheev, being superior to Kenobi, beating Pre Vizsla, etc.Dooku's force powers are exceptional but they don't matter against someone of Maul's caliber. No, he hasn't since he couldn't prevent Anakin from soundly defeating him before ridding him of his hands then head in that order.
1. He fought Mace for at max 30 seconds however the time isn't specified but it's only like one slide. Lasting 24 seconds when Dooku lasted 37 seconds against yoda. Sidious=Yoda so this only proves Dooku being better, being superior to Kenobi is something Maul has failed to do, while Dooku has shown his superiority unquestionably. Beating Pre?!?!?! You call that an accomplishment to put him On Dooku level. Pre disarmed him.
Exceptional. He has shown to be one of the most powerful characters of all Star Wars, Canon or Expanded universe. Maul is below him so with that Maul comes in at a severe disadvantage, running the line of almost being ragdolled since he and Kenobi are so close, I could honestly see Dooku throwing maul around. So one battle vs all others of dookus battles. So anyway evidence shows he can compensate for his physical failings.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Prove it.
1. He fought Mace for at max 30 seconds however the time isn't specified but it's only like one slide. Lasting 24 seconds when Dooku lasted 37 seconds against yoda. Sidious=Yoda so this only proves Dooku being better, being superior to Kenobi is something Maul has failed to do, while Dooku has shown his superiority unquestionably. Beating Pre?!?!?! You call that an accomplishment to put him On Dooku level. Pre disarmed him.Exceptional. He has shown to be one of the most powerful characters of all Star Wars, Canon or Expanded universe. Maul is below him so with that Maul comes in at a severe disadvantage, running the line of almost being ragdolled since he and Kenobi are so close, I could honestly see Dooku throwing maul around. So one battle vs all others of dookus battles. So anyway evidence shows he can compensate for his physical failings.
Sidious beat Yoda. Pre did disarm him but lost the fight. Dooku doesn't fight or have the skill or weaponry of Pre anywho.
Maul is faster and more powerful. He wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it.Sidious beat Yoda. Pre did disarm him but lost the fight. Dooku doesn't fight or have the skill or weaponry of Pre anywho.
Maul is faster and more powerful. He wins.
https://youtu.be/GcD3j1j_TbU 10:21 it just passes by in 1-2 slides. Not a very long fight so really not much to say he can contend with mace.
Due to circumstance. I know he has a better skill set and the force.
Actually the clone wars shows differently. It shows dooku is much faster than maul. Dooku has more experience than maul, and has demonstrated he can take any physical assault maul has, and with his massive command of the force on his side, Maul loses.