Could Hulk "not impossibly" adapt so hard, that he stops being Hulk and becomes a non-Gamma EM Spectrum, Dark Matter bloodless Golem being that cannot be lifted in the air?
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Last edited by Philosophía on Apr 18th, 2021 at 04:12 PM
I dont understand though. I'm Magneto, controlling the blood through your body, main organs. How would you even gain the thought of doing any of that? So if he controls all of the people I've named blood all at the same time, including the flow of blood to their brains, all at the same time, wouldn't that make Magneto an unbeatable character? Or, is there a limit to his ability to control people?
I think people are too limited, and are seeing it as if it's a TK bubble/GL construct, with the target inside something that can be smashed/pushed against.
This isn't. Imagine right now your spine is being pulled forwards. Not by an invisible hand, there is no construct outside your body (or even inside) to brush off, or to crush.
What are you fighting against, then? Wriggle as much as you want - flail your arms as much as you want, or kick - your spine is still being pulled forwards.
'Ah, DS', you think - 'What if I dig my heels in and resist?? I've never skipped leg day, and there is no way you can pull me if I then drop to all fours and grab the floor as well!'
So I lift you in the air. Now what? You can't fly. What are you going to fight against? All I need to prove is that I can lift objects = to your weight, and that is it.
You COULD scream in my face to throw me off, maybe. Maybe dig in your pockets to find something to throw at me, disrupting my concentration. Maybe try stripping, and hope your naked quivering body gives me pause ([SPOILER - highlight to read]: it does not. But these are all different ways to break my concentration, NOT my control.
I mean, it may SOUND impossible, but he has done impossible things before, so we cannot preclude the possibility. It would happen, but not often.
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the difference is flash's femtosecond is something that can won't change--in any given situation we can say flash moves at femtosecond speed. the nature of femtosecond won't change.
the opposite is true for adaptation. with adaptation, the nature of the power is that it WILL change, and we can't know the way it will manifest until the situation has actually been encountered. which is why there's no way to give a specific answer. in hulk's case, add in the fact that his adaptive abilities have rarely been shown and it becomes even more difficult.
@delta: i agree dd has a vastly better chance of adapting some direct counter to mags' power. but how would that manifest? what specifically would he do? beats me. but i can say there is a good chance he would adapt and not really be worried about the nature of what is manifested. if you suggest a specific adaptation, is it fan fic? graviton hoists dd in the air. how does he adapt out of it? prove it with an on-panel example. see what i'm getting at? with hulk, the chances are far lower, but the chance still exists, at least imo. and if the chance exists, and we've seen it on panel, how can we simply dismiss it as impossible?
I'm just saying, the thread is about controlling blood, if someone is controlling your blood, that alone should be traumatic enough to hinder any process of flying towards a Magneto who have a shield around his body. Per this thread, his first thought is grabbing beings using their blood as the target for the attack. Blood throughout the body. There's no way anyone is surviving this unless again, there is a limit.
We have proof of speed's magnitude, so we can say that femtosecond is a fact.
We have no proof of adaptability working at that level that a gland specifically restructures his whole body to make his blood immune to electromagnetism and supposedly also his gamma energy, because why not, so it doesn't actually exist as something that can be treated as something provable -- never mind proved, never mind conflating it with Flash's FACTUAL ability and going for both "would happen, but not often." Because you cannot prove it happens at all -- as we've already talked about, contrary to Flash where we can not only prove he has that speed but has actually used that level of speed.
It's the difference between fact [something existing] and fan-fiction [something made up].
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Last edited by Philosophía on Apr 18th, 2021 at 04:26 PM
I do believe the argument as started was what could Hulk do just being suspended. Not stopping flow to the brain or ****ing with his heart. Just being held midair. If anything I saw you turning it into this.
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@phil: we've seen hulk's body change, so it IS on panel. we simply haven't seen it change in the way i suggested. developing the ability to survive indefinitely in space or breathing underwater require changes to biochemistry. altering his blood would require the same kind of alteration. i don't see any significance difference in magnitude. i get your overall point though, so we can--again--agree to disagree since neither of us is budging on this.
^ this is how I have read basically all of Hulk’s “eventually he powers through” feats.
Most of the time it’s inherently tied to his other powers: dynamic strength, new applications for strength (grabbing energy and astral forms), new ways to project/absorb energy, etc... There are some feats of Hulk just growing gills, or saying that his body will adapt to a “zero atmosphere environment” or his body just.... refusing to be BFRed. But most of the time it’s more in the vein of Hulk adapting and growing his usual powerset. Which is why is impossible to speak to a scenario where Hulk has a minor part of his powerset (adapting) without the main thing that defines all his other powers (dynamic strength).
Could Hulk overcome Mags? Eh, maybe. I think his body would try to rip out the parts that are being controlled or absorb the EM energy being exerted on him or just become strong enough to overpower the effect, like Ultimate Colossus did. Obviously we can keep changing the scenario of how Mags specifically attacks, hence, fan fiction.
DD shoots poisoned bone spurs at Graviton, which were fast and durable enough to spear through Superman.
Same with Magneto. Bone being non ferrous.
But I digress ....
With Hulk, you are giving him - as I said before - a no limits fallacy, when we have seen his 'adaptive' powers aren't there at that level. Again, it's like reading US Agent's bio, seeing the word superstrength and saying, ah yes, he CAN lift 100 tons, easily! Look, here are multiple examples of him lifting more than any human alive, far too many examples to just say he can't lift 100 tons!
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@ds: no limits would mean he could adapt a null field and simply walk through mags' power. so, for the 10th time, just because you want to label my stance as no limits clearly doesn't make it so.
If Namor pulled so hard against mags, it might actually kill him. He would literally be rippingnhis own flesh, bones, and organs away from his blood. That would be pretty badass to see actually
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